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CONLANG  August 2017, Week 4

CONLANG August 2017, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Honorifics and Politeness?

From:

J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:17:19 -0400

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:24:24 +0200, Melroch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Are you aware that 2p outranking 1p is an Algonquin peculiarity and not
>general among hierarchical alignment systems?
>
Yes. In this case, the unusual ranking is due to politeness, although I've found it's often morphosyntactically convenient to put 2nd person first.

>Interposing honorifics like that is interesting. AFMOC Sohlob uses original
>"loquent" (humans, gods and other beings capable of speech) pronouns and
>determiners etc. as polite pronouns, with original proximal as 1p, medial
>as 2p and distal as 3p,  having demoted the original personal pronouns to
>familiar use. Since loquent originally outranked other animates the polite
>forms are at the top of the hierarchy in normal discourse. Using the
>original personal pronouns with strangers is impolite at the
>starting-fight-in-a-bar level. Also a new set of loquent 3p forms have been
>created by affixing _šan_ 'person' to the animate determiners, so that
>instead of _šan an_ you normally say _šan anšan_ for 'that person',
>etymologically `person that-person`.
>
I still need to figure out the pronouns that don't appear as prefixes. I was thinking of using nouns rather than demonstratives.

>/bpj
>
>
>Den 23 aug 2017 03:01 skrev "J S Jones" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> I tried to work on something more naturalistic and it was too hard now, so
>> I'm trying out a simple agglutinative sketch (Aug17) with a couple possibly
>> interesting features. The first is a direct-inverse system with a hierarchy
>> modified by honorifics: 2 > 3 honorific > 1 > 3 animate > 3 inanimate
>> (simplified). The other is polite speech using nominalized content verbs.
>> The main issue for that is working out a complete syntax for the polite
>> mode.
>>
>> Jeff
>>

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