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CONLANG  September 2017, Week 1

CONLANG September 2017, Week 1

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Re: Word order

From:

Aidan Aannestad <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 1 Sep 2017 13:15:17 -0500

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Word order variation is almost universally an information structure
question - things move to mark them as topic, focus, and so on. (There's a
few other reasons, but those are unusual.) Even English does this a lot,
but it's hidden, as the rigidity of English's word order rules force you to
have to rephrase things to make it valid (eg fronting with the 'it's the X
which Y Z-ed' construction). Because of this, I don't believe in 'free word
order' - it's not free at all, it's just governed by pragmatics rather than
syntax.

On 1 Sep 2017 12:03, "Daniel Bowman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Angosey is strict VSO, except for a few verbs that seem to switch it to
> VOS.  A particular one is the verb "to assay."  A few others too.  I'm not
> sure how to explain these idiosyncrasies diachronically.  Suggestions?
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:41 Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I have several conlang sketches (which could probably be considered
> > slightly different versions of the same sketch) where each phrase is
> > marked.
> >
> > The subject is unmarked, which identifies it as the subject.
> > The verb phrase uses words unique to verb phrases, thus marking it.
> > All other phrases, including the direct object, are marked with
> > "prepositions".
> >
> > Word order within the phrase is strictly enforced, but every possible
> > phrase order is equally comprehensible:
> >
> >      1. [John] [gave] [to Mary] [li a gift].
> >      2. John gave li a gift to Mary.
> >      3. John to Mary gave li a gift.
> >      4. John to Mary li a gift gave.
> >      5. John li a gift to Mary gave.
> >      6. John li a gift gave to Mary.
> >      7. Gave John to Mary li a gift.
> >      8. Gave John li a gift to Mary.
> >      9. Gave to Mary John li a gift.
> >     10. Gave to Mary li a gift John.
> >     11. Gave li a gift John to Mary.
> >     12. Gave li a gift to Mary John.
> >     13. To Mary John gave li a gift.
> >     14. To Mary John li a gift gave.
> >     15. To Mary gave John li a gift.
> >     16. To Mary gave li a gift John.
> >     17. To Mary li a gift John gave.
> >     18. To Mary li a gift gave John.
> >     19. Li a gift John gave to Mary.
> >     20. Li a gift John to Mary gave.
> >     21. Li a gift gave John to Mary.
> >     22. Li a  gift gave to Mary John.
> >     23. Li a gift to Mary John gave.
> >     24. Li a gift to Mary gave John.
> >
> > Prepositional phrases are, of course, also marked by a preposition, so
> they
> > can be placed anywhere:
> >
> > [For her birthday] gave li a gift to Mary John.
> > Gave [for her birthday] li a gift to Mary John.
> > Gave li a gift [for her birthday] to Mary John.
> > Gave li a gift to Mary [for her birthday] John.
> > Gave li a gift to Mary John [for her birthday].
> >
> > When the subject is located a long distance from the verb it may also be
> > marked with a verbish sort of word, possibly a detached tense marker:
> >
> > Gave for her birthday li a gift to Mary [did John].
> > or:
> > Give for her birthday li a gift to Mary did John. (with present tense
> main
> > verb)
> >
> > --gary
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 5:12 AM, C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How strict are you in maintaining the word order you have given to your
> > > conlangs? What are the reasons that you deviate from this word order?
> I'm
> > > especially interested in SVO.
> > > Charlie
> > >
> >
>

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