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Re: Why doesn't English permit tl or dl as true consonant combinations?

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PETER BLEACKLEY <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:21:04 +0100

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It seems that sychronically, the rule is one of restriction, rather than prescription.

ð may only occur as the initial consonant in function words where the second phoneme is a vowel. Function words include pronouns, demonstratives and conjunctions, but not numerals. I think they would also include prepositions, but the only preposition with an initial dental fricative that I can think of is through, which has a consonant as the second phoneme.

Diachronically, weaker stress on function words is probably the cause, although my use of the word "unstressed" was probably an overstatement. 

http://specgram.com/CLXXVI.2/05.equality.announce.html

----Original message----
From : [log in to unmask]
Date : 19/09/2017 - 14:31 (BST)
To : [log in to unmask]
Subject : Re: Why doesn't English permit tl or dl as true consonant combinations?

On 19 September 2017 at 14:18, Eyal Minsky-Fenick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:40 AM, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > On 19 Sep 2017 09:04, "PETER BLEACKLEY" <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Diachronically, I predict the rule would be "Words that did not carry
> > stress when þ and ð were allophones." In fact, sychronically, it may
> simply
> > be "unstressed words".
> >
> >
> > Synchronically that is certainly false. In the unlikely event of the
> > diachronic rule being correct, it would entail a definition of stress
> > unrecognizable from the definition of stress in PDE.
> >
> >
> > Numerals do carry stress, which is why "Thirty" is not affected.
> >
> > .
> > "Thirty" is stressed like "thither" and "thicky" (demonstrative) and
> > "thonder". Demonstrative "that" is stressed and does not habitually enjoy
> > less accentual prominence than, say, "think".
>
> Wait, aren't those first two pronounced as /θɹti/ and /θɪðɹ/?
>
>
/θɹti/ and /ðɪðɹ/ are the pronunciations I had in mind. But I discover,
from checking OED, that there is indeed a US /θɪðɹ/, which then joins
_thirty_ as an example of initial simplex /θ/ in closed-class words).


--And.

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