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CONLANG  September 2017, Week 3

CONLANG September 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Cataphoric Cats

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:10:45 -0400

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My understanding is that "dropping" is just another word for null (or
"zero") anaphora (which here I take in the less strict sense that
encompasses cataphora).

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:56 PM, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 13:56:50 +0800, Stewart Fraser <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, I think you are using the words anaphora and cataphora for
> situations where the term "dropping" is usually used. I believe it is the
> same process going on in the brain but usually the convention is that when
> no vestige left it is called dropping but when some word is present ...
> perhaps referring to the time or manner of the previous clause. Or even the
> complete clause, it is called anaphoric. Now pronouns and person affixes on
> verbs also have something to do with these processes. But not usually
> called anaphoric either.
> >
> Isn't the term "dropping" theory-dependent (Chomskyan)?
>
> Jeff
>
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 21 Sep 2017, at 03:10, Juliano Cruz Gusmão <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Its a prodrop language.
> >> Pro: Leaves a clear message. Kiswahili, follows a similar method.
> >> Drop: Can get complicated for non-prodrop-language-speakers.
> >> But I like it.
> >>
> >> Juliano Cruz Gusmão.
> >>
> >> E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >> Facebook: Juliano Cruz Gusmão
> >>
> >>
> >> "O pássaro de Minerva só alça seu vôo ao cair da noite."
> >> "La birdo de Minerva nur ekflugas cxe la nokta ekapero."
> >>     Hegel
> >>
> >> "Sem um desvio do normal, o progresso é impossível."
> >> "Sen devio de la normaleco, la progresso neeblas."
> >>     Frank Zappa
> >>
> >> "Os cegos fazem de tudo para ver a luz, os tolos, para não vê-la"
> >> "La blinduloj faros cxion por vidi la lumon, la stultoj, por ne gxin
> vidi."
> >>     A. H. fuerstenthal
> >>
> >> 2017-09-20 13:20 GMT-03:00 J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>
> >>> In English, we can say
> >>> (1) The cat saw, caught, and ate the fish.
> >>>
> >>> Here, "the cat" appears only once, for "saw"; for the "caught" and
> "ate",
> >>> 0 is used as the subject. Since 0 appears later than "the cat", it's
> >>> anaphoric. But what about "the fish"? It also appears only once with 0
> used
> >>> elsewhere for the object. Since these precede "the fish", they're
> >>> cataphoric.
> >>>
> >>> In my current project, Sep11 has OVS order, so the sentence (1) would
> have
> >>> to be translated
> >>> (2) fish 3-see-Prf-4 3-catch-Prf-4 3-eat-AorPst-3 cat.
> >>>
> >>> In this case, the prefix 3- agrees with the object _fish_ and is
> anaphoric
> >>> for _catch_ and _eat_ since no object appears there. The suffix -3
> agrees
> >>> with the subject _cat_. However, the verbs missing an explicit subject
> are
> >>> marked -4, which is cataphoric.
> >>>
> >>> Any comments or questions on this scheme?
> >>>
> >>> Jeff
> >>>
>



-- 
Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>

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