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CONLANG  October 2017, Week 4

CONLANG October 2017, Week 4

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Re: Translation Program for US Army

From:

Brian Bourque <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:38:01 -0400

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:39:04 +0300, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>So at the risk of starting a YAEUT, I'm curious as to whether there's
>any particular reason why the word "soldier" is capitalized in the
>article, and why Brian capitalizes it in their response. As a lifelong
>civilian, I don't think I've ever seen that usage before.
>
> - kechpaja -

The US Army top level leaders (Pentagon) decided to change the standard of how Soldiers are addressed in writing in official correspondence; thus, the capitalization of this word was born. I do not remember exactly when this change happened, but it was not long after 9/11. Since I have been doing this for a while it is second-nature to me.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:39:28 +0000, jonathon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I remember reading a book by a guy in the army (Special Forces, IIRC)
>who claimed to be able to go from not knowing the name of the language,
>to being fluent enough to act as a translator, within eight weeks. He
>mentioned learning both Farsi and Arabic that way.
>
>Don't remember the name of the book, though.  :(
>
>jonathon

Regarding Special Forces, they do have an intensive, in-house language training program; however, the intent is to get the SF operator the ability to communicate simply and concisely in order to navigate certain obstacles (cultural or otherwise) within a specific area. It is not robust enough to make a fully-capable translator, much less an interpreter. Much of their continuing education in the language is more in line with "on the job" training. The basic mission of the Special Forces is to train foreign military forces.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 20:01:01 +0300, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Translator, or interpreter? The former sounds a lot more realistic,
>since a translator can go and look things up a dictionary or reference
>grammar if they really need to, whereas interpreters pretty much have to
>work on the fly.
>
>Also, based on what I've heard (I haven't actually studied it beyond a
>few nights messing with Rosetta Stone), Farsi is actually a pretty easy
>language for anglophones. It's Indoeuropean and doesn't have many of the
>things that trip English speakers up when learning most European
>langauges, such as gender or case (IIRC the closest thing to a case in
>Farsi is an object-marking particle). Arabic is also widely considered
>difficult, but I never found it particularly hard — although I only
>studied MSA, so perhaps the experience is different when you're learning
>one of the dialects that people actually speak. It's pretty regular once
>you know what you're doing (at least MSA is).
>
> - kechpaja -

Farsi _is_ relatively easy to learn for an anglophone; however, it has its difficulties with the Perso-Arabic alphabet and the sounds which are not present in English (such as [x], [q] and [ɢ]). You are correct about the lack of gender and case except for the object marker. Additionally, about 40% of Persian vocabulary consists of Arabic loanwords adding to the level of difficulty with Persian, albeit not as difficult as Arabic.

The twist to the story is that many times the US Army assigns the language to the Soldier. It is not commonplace for a Soldier to choose which language they learn. As a consequence, one might see a person who speaks Spanish at home with their family and then find themselves in a Hebrew class. When I joined the service I wanted to learn Farsi, but based on the needs of the Army I was assigned Korean, a language of which I had zero knowledge at the time. Learning a language is relatively easy if one truly wants to learn it and is good with languages. That is the ideal world. The reality of it is that many times people sign up as translators not realizing how intensive the training is and often are not able to meet the standard proficiency level.

very respectfully,

Brian Bourque
SFC, USA (Ret)
[log in to unmask]

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." - Mark Twain

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