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CONLANG November 2017, Week 5

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Re: Neanderthal languages (was: Ursprachen)

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PETER BLEACKLEY <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 30 Nov 2017 12:13:08 +0000

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I find it more plausible that the origin of Wild Man myths might be garbled descriptions of apes, just as the unicorn was a distorted account of the rhinoceros, and the Vegetable Lamb of Tartary was the cotton plant.

Pete 

----Original message----
From : [log in to unmask]
Date : 30/11/2017 - 11:56 (GMT)
To : [log in to unmask]
Subject : Re: Neanderthal languages (was: Ursprachen)

And let's not forget the traditions about the Wild Man[^1] which suggests
that the Neanderthals or at least the memory of them survived longer than
generally believed! Tolkien apparently made this connexion, and describes
them as a noble people[^2], savage only in the etymological sense of being
forest dwellers. I think the autonym which he ascribed to them, _Drughu_ —
presumably /ˈdruhu/ in modern English — is about as close to an autonym
which conlangers can agree on as possible!

[^1]: <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_man>
[^2]: <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drúedain>

Den 30 nov 2017 11:59 skrev "Melroch" <[log in to unmask]>:

> I have long fancied that the Greek word Κένταυρος, Kéntauros, originally
> meant "Neanderthal Man". Note that in the etymology of the word, nor AFAIK
> in Homer's description of the tribe, using words like "beast-men" and
> "hairy", there is nothing which suggest the half horse half man hybrids
> depicted in classical antiquity. The etymology is described like this in
> the Wikipedia "Centaur" article:
>
>     The Greek word kentauros is generally regarded as of obscure origin.
>     The etymology from ken – tauros, "piercing bull-stickers" was
>     a euhemerist suggestion in Palaephatus' rationalizing text on
>     Greek mythology, On Incredible Tales (Περὶ ἀπίστων):
>     mounted archers from a village called Nephele eliminating a
>     herd of bulls that were the scourge of Ixion's kingdom.
>     Another possible related etymology can be "bull-slayer".
>
> It is notable that the Neanderthals' chin may have looked like a horse's
> chin to a modern human.
>
> Den 30 nov 2017 02:32 skrev "Paul Schleitwiler, FCM" <
> [log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Re: "Now we don’t know what the Neanderthal called themselves. But I am
>> sure a new term could be devised. A term with none of the negative
>> connotations of Neanderthal."
>>
>> It is obvious. They called themselves the Real People as different from
>> those lump-jaw, smaller brained newcomers.
>> As for using spears, any Real Man, and many Real Women, could take an elk
>> by the antlers and wring its neck like a pigeon. Weaklings use tools.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:26 PM, stewart fraser <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Ahh … you embrace your Neanderthal heritage too Paul. Excellent.
>> >
>> > My Neantherdal ancestors were noble and strong. No sneaky hunting at a
>> > distance using bows and throwing spears but honest close combat using
>> > stabbing spears. I strongly suspect that my guileless ancestors were
>> > cheated out of there inheritence by the conniving Cro-magnon. No mental
>> or
>> > physical shortcomings … just too much honesty.
>> >
>> > No doubt if I moved in more enlightened circles (as I suspect Jörg does)
>> > it would be OK to be open about my Neandertal heritage. However all the
>> > people I mix with are plebs. Whenever I declare my Neanthertal-ness I
>> face
>> > derision.
>> >
>> > We really need to consign the term Neanderthal to the dustbin of
>> history,
>> > to join such terms as Eskimo and Hottentot.
>> >
>> > Now we don’t know what the Neandertal called themselves. But I am sure a
>> > new term could be devised. A term with none of the negative
>> connotations of
>> > Neanderthal.
>> >
>> > Maybe members of the conlang community could help here. What about it ?
>> > Think about a suitable new name and send in your suggestions.
>> >
>> >             PS … the more syllables the better.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>

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