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CONLANG  December 2017, Week 3

CONLANG December 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Entirely homonymous / polysemous numeral systems.

From:

Jim Thain <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 18 Dec 2017 04:39:37 -0800

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Could a system arise (in a natural setting), where, say, all the numbers
between ten and twenty would be done this way? If yes I can imagine it
carrying on to twenty-one over, twenty-two over, twenty-three over, etc.
Interesting idea.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:15 AM, C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> It is my understanding that "eleven" and "twelve" are not redundant
> numbers beyond ten, but refer to the decimal system. "Eleven" means 'one
> left over' (from ten) and "twelve" means 'two left over' (from ten).  Do
> those numbers in the Schlock comic strip have a similar meaning?
> Charles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Galen Buttitta <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:27:31 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Entirely homonymous / polysemous numeral systems.
>
> “Eleven” and “twelve” have stuck around quite a while in English, so being
> “redundant” is not an automatic disqualification for naturalism.
>
> > On Dec 17, 2017, at 23:04, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Since there are distinct number-words for 1-13 in that Schlock comic
> strip,
> > the lowest number base that'll work is 14, not 12 as the footnote says.
> If
> > it really is base 12, then the last two words are redundant.
> >
> > stevo
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The comic strip "Schlock Mercenary" recently featured (in a footnote)
> >> a numeral system for a fictional (to the best of my knowledge; I'm
> >> pretty sure Howard hasn't hired a conlanger to make it real yet!)
> >> alien language in which every numeral up to at least 13 is named for
> >> some object that has that number of components (e.g., number of
> >> fingers, number of limbs, etc.), or some concept with which it is
> >> mystically / metaphorically related. (The relevant comic and footnote
> >> are viewable at http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2017-12-05 .)
> >>
> >> Now, I know it is fairly common to have things like the word for
> >> "five" derived from the word for "hand", or for a few numbers to be
> >> incidentally homophonous, or nearly so, with other words (e.g.,
> >> Chinese 4 sounding similar to the word for "death", or 8 sounding
> >> similar to the word for "prosper") with cultural significance attached
> >> to the resemblance. But are there any natlangs in which *every* basic
> >> numeral is derived from or identical to the word for some other
> >> related concept? Are there known conlangs with that feature? It seems
> >> like a pretty neat idea.
> >>
> >> -l.
> >>
>

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