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CONLANG  December 2017, Week 3

CONLANG December 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Dec17 Comparisons

From:

J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:26:00 -0500

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Here's what I call equatives and normatives, since I don't know any other terms for them.

Equative
poyliftaxafi tay shpalachipi dux.
NORM-small-ANIM-dog here OBL-compare-ANIM-cat any
"This dog is as small as a cat."

Normative
xashinu yapoyxisa.
HOR-run ADV-NORM-fast
"Let's run at a normal speed."

BTW, I've been using an ASCIIfied orthography here that differs from what I have in the documentation: acute accents are eliminated and c^, s^, c, and z are replaced by ch, sh, tl, and lh. I've been wondering if I should just change everything to the ASCII version.

Jeff

On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:26:52 -0500, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:04:46 -0700, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>On 20 December 2017 at 18:00, Stewart Fraser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff
>>>
>>>       What does PROP stand for ?
>>
>>Looks to me like a marker for Proper Nouns.
>>
>>I presume that "Tom" without a preceding PROP would mean something
>>like "some guy named Tom"; and perhaps you could prepend it to any
>>noun to turn that noun into a name?
>>
>>-l.
>>
>Yes, any noun could be a name with PROP. One of PROP or ANIM or INAN is required when a noun is present, so if "Tom" was a homonym of a common noun, it would be interpreted as that noun without PROP (at least if it had the right animacy). Here's some more Dec17:
>
>Partitive:
>tuxnam shtihay 'omachipi.
>PST-see-ANIM-1S OBL-"1"-ANIM-IND belong-ANIM-cat
>"I saw one of the cats."
>
>Ordinal:
>tuxnam shtihakotl 'omachipi.
>PST-see-ANIM-1S OBL-"1"-ANIM-ORD belong-ANIM-cat
>"I saw the 1st of the cats."
>
>Superlative:
>tuxnam shxisakotl 'omachipi.
>PST-see-ANIM-1S OBL-fast-ANIM-SUP belong-ANIM-cat
>"I saw the fastest of the cats."
>
>1S is always animate; possibly I should omit the ANIM from the interlinear?
>
>Jeff
>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 7:31 AM, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (1) yaknitaamos shpalichaani.
>>>>    tall-PROP-Tom OBL-compare-PROP-John
>>>>    "Tom is taller than John."
>>>>
>>>> (2) tushinwichaani yaxisa shpalitaamos.
>>>>    PST-run-PROP-John ADV-fast OBL-compare-PROP-Tom
>>>>    "John ran faster than Tom."
>>>>
>>>> (3) tumeekufafo tloo shkudtitaamos shpalulhumo.
>>>>    PST-consume-INAN-potato much OBL-eat-PROP-Tom OBL-compare-INAN-tomato.
>>>>    "Tom ate more potatoes than tomatoes."
>>>>
>>>> (4) tukudtitaamos shmeekufafo tloo shpalichaani.
>>>>    PST-eat-PROP-Tom OBL-consume-INAN-potato much OBL-compare-PROP-John.
>>>>    "Tom ate more potatoes than John."
>>>>
>>>> Dec17 started out because I was thinking about iljena, where every word combines a verb with a noun. However, Dec17 is ending up quite different:
>>>> * The verbs and nouns are concatenated, not interleaved.
>>>> * There are a lot of affixes, including some of syntactical significance, so that there is explicit syntax.
>>>> * There are also a few particles.
>>>> * Roots may be homophonous.
>>>> * The noun part of the word may be null.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff

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