Very well put, Mike.
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Michael Falk <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'll have to agree with Doc here...nonsequitar. Everyone else has these
> issue too but the guns do separate us from the others, and markedly so.
> I would also like to address this ridiculous idea that the discussion
> around an assault weapons ban, background checks, and other very reasonable
> and minimal interventions into this debate, has been "politicized" or is
> somehow a "left wing" agenda. Here are a few facts:
> 1) Ronald Reagan and G.W Bush BOTH supported the Brady Bill. Last time I
> checked both of them were republicans and Reagan's memory is still brought
> up on regular basis by the GOP...so, seems pretty legit to me.
> 2) GW Bush was vilified by the NRA and the ATF were accused of being "jack
> booted thugs" by the NRA during his term when Bush supported the ban on
> teflon bullets. For those who are not gun people...teflon bullets are one
> of the only rounds that will penetrate kevlar body armour, which is warn by
> Law Enforcement for the protection while they are on duty. Thus, they are
> called "cop killer rounds" and because he removed them from sale for the
> civilian population, he was vilified.
> 3) Such notorious "liberals", I am being facetious here, as Joe
> Scarborough, Bret Stevens have argued in favor of it, as have MANY other
> 4) The idea that the "government is coming for your guns" has been pushed
> by the right with NO evidence in support of it or any actual law being
> passed. Add to this the facts that sites like Brietbart and Alex Jones
> have pushed crackpot theories that shootings like Sandy Hook were "false
> flag attacks", and it seems pretty clear who is politicizing this debate.
> Finally, as I write this there are now reports in right wing media that
> claim that the teenagers who have shown incredible grace, courage, dignity
> and intelligence in the aftermath of their friend's being murdered, are no
> being accused of being "paid actors" that are pushing an agenda...
> It would be nice if the adults in this debate actually showed as much
> courage and dignity and these 17/18 year olds. This not a "conservative"
> or "liberal" issue...this is a life or death issue. And last time I
> checked, we were in the business of averting death when possible. I'll end
> with this quote from Jefferson, since he was one the principle authors of
> the Constitution, it seemed relevant.
> "A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties
> of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of
> self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher
> obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written
> law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all
> those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to
> the means."
> Mike Falk
> NY. NY.
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Doc Holiday <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Naah... You don't need to feel so alone in the world!
>> We in the UK and the rest of the Western world have all of these problems,
>> just like you...
>> Except for the one about guns!!!
>> But that's the point, isn't it?
>> (BTW, it might be because of lack of research, but I don't think I have
>> seen enough to convince me of the protective benefits (actual; not
>> theoretical) of having a gun when facing another. Lots of stuff out there
>> to show the benefits of a bullet-proof vest, though...
>> From: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: 21 February 2018 13:37
>> Yes. The US is largely one big evolving political contradiction on many
>> Hollywood celebrities are funding anti gun marches but Hollywood makes a
>> living on violence.
>> Guns are bad until you see someone who is pointing one at you.
>> Religion is good only if you share its beliefs.
>> Illegal immigration supporters are often the same who hire folks pay them
>> nothing and offer no benefits.
>> We aren’t any better.
>> AAP is the voice for children after one can hold them.
>> We complain about ed visits and lack of pem docs but little to reduce
>> visits. Just add more and more staff and try to do less and less clinical
>> We oppose policy and regulation but every medical committee I have served
>> on proposes new policy and regulation.
>> It goes on and on and always will.
>> Mick Connors
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