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CONLANG February 2018, Week 1

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Re: A monosyllabic problem

From:

Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 3 Feb 2018 21:22:26 -0600

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SSM is a morphology (a set of rules for constructing morphemes) that makes
it possible to unambiguously parse morpheme boundaries in speech.

https://www.frathwiki.com/Self-segregating_morphology
http://conlang.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_self-segregating_morphology_methods
http://www.rickmor.x10.mx/morphology.html



On 3 February 2018 at 21:03, ATMunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Yeah, I may do something like what you mentioned there. Also, I do have
> dipthongs, just not many.
>
> What's self-segregating morphology?
>
>
> On 2/3/2018 9:17 PM, Larry Sulky wrote:
>
>> That might be just about enough function words if you're careful.
>> Alternatively, you can reserve one or two of them as "shift" or "alt"
>> codes, which would roughly double or triple your inventory. For example,
>> maybe "ku" would have no meaning of its own but would provide a set of
>> two-syllable function words, all of which begin (or end) with "ku" and
>> which have no connection, necessarily, with their un-shifted counterparts.
>> For example: "se" = "ours", "kuse" = "just to the left of". Or you might
>> change your syllable structure to allow diphthongs; that would bump up
>> your
>> inventory considerably.
>>
>> If you're particularly worried about confusion in parsing, be aware that
>> that's going to come up a lot with your phonotactics, so you might want to
>> consider a self-segregating morphology (SSM) scheme.
>>
>> --Larry
>>
>> On 3 February 2018 at 20:01, ATMunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> So, I've started adding some basic root words to my conlang (which now has
>>> a name by the way, it's called Tamuni). I've encountered a problem,
>>> however.
>>>
>>> I thought it logical to start by creating some simple, one-syllable root
>>> words to convey simpler concepts, and create derivations and more
>>> complicated words later.
>>>
>>> However, a problem quickly arose: My language, being roughly modeled off
>>> of Polynesian languages, has a very restrictive syllable structure and
>>> phonetic inventory. There are only 11 consonants (excluding the glottal
>>> stop, which words cannot start with), and 8 vowel sounds (including
>>> dipthongs.) The syllable structure is (C)(C)V, but the only allowed pairs
>>> are tr, kr, fr, kl, and fl, so when you do the math, this comes up with
>>> only 136 possible single-syllable words.
>>>
>>> Although that is a decent amount, it's certainly not enough to convey all
>>> the different simple meanings that I would want. Then, there's also the
>>> fact that single-syllable words are probably likely to have a more
>>> grammatical function, and that if every single one of those
>>> single-syllable
>>> words had a meaning, then longer words could be somewhat confusing, as
>>> they
>>> might seem to be combinations of two root words, when they're really not
>>> at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> So, how many simple, non-grammatical root words should I roughly aim for?
>>> What kinds of meanings should they be assigned to?
>>>
>>>

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