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CONLANG February 2018, Week 1

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Re: A monosyllabic problem

From:

Seth KAZAN <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:17:09 +0100

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I play a higher level of segregativeness, with an apriori conlang where
1sound=1sense=1sign...
This absolute principle make long words but self describing words...
And because of the lack of double articulation, phonotactics and
morphotactics depend of semantics only...

2018-02-04 8:18 GMT+01:00 James Taylor <[log in to unmask]>:

> There is the way Maori does it, to quote Wikipedia: “...All possible CV
> combinations are grammatical, though wo, who, wu, and whu occur only in a
> few loanwords from English such as wuru, "wool" and whutuporo, "football" ”.
>
> Then of course Japanese has its grammatical voicing of plosives.
>
> I can (I guess?) come up with some from English: ‘Finger’ has a /g sound
> but ‘winger’ does not, apparently dental fricatives occur mostly in
> grammatical words, “the leaves on the ground” vs “he leafs through a book”.
> So, some grammatical fossilisation there.
>
> And then there was this paper I was skimming through about a language in
> South America that had something against the glottal stop occurring with
> ejectives in the segment.
> I plan on using my own version of this for my conlang.
>
> -James.
>
> From: Logan Kearsley
> Sent: Sunday, 4 February 2018 4:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: A monosyllabic problem
>
> On 3 February 2018 at 19:17, Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > That might be just about enough function words if you're careful.
> > Alternatively, you can reserve one or two of them as "shift" or "alt"
> > codes, which would roughly double or triple your inventory. For example,
> > maybe "ku" would have no meaning of its own but would provide a set of
> > two-syllable function words, all of which begin (or end) with "ku" and
> > which have no connection, necessarily, with their un-shifted
> counterparts.
> > For example: "se" = "ours", "kuse" = "just to the left of". Or you might
> > change your syllable structure to allow diphthongs; that would bump up
> your
> > inventory considerably.
> >
> > If you're particularly worried about confusion in parsing, be aware that
> > that's going to come up a lot with your phonotactics, so you might want
> to
> > consider a self-segregating morphology (SSM) scheme.
>
> Note, however, that no natural language actually has a fully
> self-segregating morphology, and many Polynesian languages get by just
> fine with even more restricted phonotactics than that.
>
> Looking at how self-segregating morphology has been implemented in
> other people's languages may indeed still be a valuable method of
> acquiring insight into how you might want to structure your
> morphology, but *if* you are going for naturalism, actually
> implementing, as opposed to merely taking inspiration from,
> self-segregating morphologies is not the best way to go.
>
> Additionally, any self-segregating morphology will necessarily add
> further restrictions to your phonotactics, morphotactics, or both,
> reducing the total number of possible words of any given length and
> thus making words longer, on average, than they would otherwise be.
> Which is kind of the opposite of solving your immediate problem....
>
> -l.
>

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