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CONLANG  February 2018, Week 1

CONLANG February 2018, Week 1

Subject:

Re: A monosyllabic problem

From:

Jim Thain <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 4 Feb 2018 05:54:20 -0800

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One of the things I found interesting about the Polynesian Languages,
is that the 'one' word usually has many meanings.
My dictionary of Hawaiian is full of words like:

Kele 1 NVS Watery, muddy, wet, swampy, greasy, fat, lush. Figuratively:
impurity....
2 NVI To sail; reached by sailing; flight, sailing....
3 VT To scrape cooked taro with 'opihi shell or spoon after peeling is
removed,
to clean it in preparation for pounding.
4 Variant of kela
5 N. A fresh water weed
6 N. Any kind of wild taro
7 (rare) N. Jelly jam

That is quite a lot of strangely different meanings for one little word.
There are others with even longer blurbs.
Context usually makes which meaning is meant clear.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 4:17 AM, Seth KAZAN <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I play a higher level of segregativeness, with an apriori conlang where
> 1sound=1sense=1sign...
> This absolute principle make long words but self describing words...
> And because of the lack of double articulation, phonotactics and
> morphotactics depend of semantics only...
>
> 2018-02-04 8:18 GMT+01:00 James Taylor <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > There is the way Maori does it, to quote Wikipedia: “...All possible CV
> > combinations are grammatical, though wo, who, wu, and whu occur only in a
> > few loanwords from English such as wuru, "wool" and whutuporo,
> "football" ”.
> >
> > Then of course Japanese has its grammatical voicing of plosives.
> >
> > I can (I guess?) come up with some from English: ‘Finger’ has a /g sound
> > but ‘winger’ does not, apparently dental fricatives occur mostly in
> > grammatical words, “the leaves on the ground” vs “he leafs through a
> book”.
> > So, some grammatical fossilisation there.
> >
> > And then there was this paper I was skimming through about a language in
> > South America that had something against the glottal stop occurring with
> > ejectives in the segment.
> > I plan on using my own version of this for my conlang.
> >
> > -James.
> >
> > From: Logan Kearsley
> > Sent: Sunday, 4 February 2018 4:59 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: A monosyllabic problem
> >
> > On 3 February 2018 at 19:17, Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > That might be just about enough function words if you're careful.
> > > Alternatively, you can reserve one or two of them as "shift" or "alt"
> > > codes, which would roughly double or triple your inventory. For
> example,
> > > maybe "ku" would have no meaning of its own but would provide a set of
> > > two-syllable function words, all of which begin (or end) with "ku" and
> > > which have no connection, necessarily, with their un-shifted
> > counterparts.
> > > For example: "se" = "ours", "kuse" = "just to the left of". Or you
> might
> > > change your syllable structure to allow diphthongs; that would bump up
> > your
> > > inventory considerably.
> > >
> > > If you're particularly worried about confusion in parsing, be aware
> that
> > > that's going to come up a lot with your phonotactics, so you might want
> > to
> > > consider a self-segregating morphology (SSM) scheme.
> >
> > Note, however, that no natural language actually has a fully
> > self-segregating morphology, and many Polynesian languages get by just
> > fine with even more restricted phonotactics than that.
> >
> > Looking at how self-segregating morphology has been implemented in
> > other people's languages may indeed still be a valuable method of
> > acquiring insight into how you might want to structure your
> > morphology, but *if* you are going for naturalism, actually
> > implementing, as opposed to merely taking inspiration from,
> > self-segregating morphologies is not the best way to go.
> >
> > Additionally, any self-segregating morphology will necessarily add
> > further restrictions to your phonotactics, morphotactics, or both,
> > reducing the total number of possible words of any given length and
> > thus making words longer, on average, than they would otherwise be.
> > Which is kind of the opposite of solving your immediate problem....
> >
> > -l.
> >
>

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