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CONLANG  February 2018, Week 1

CONLANG February 2018, Week 1

Subject:

Re: A monosyllabic problem

From:

Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 4 Feb 2018 11:29:52 -0500

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On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 05:54:20 -0800, Jim Thain <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>One of the things I found interesting about the Polynesian Languages,
>is that the 'one' word usually has many meanings.
>My dictionary of Hawaiian is full of words like:
>
>Kele 1 NVS Watery, muddy, wet, swampy, greasy, fat, lush. Figuratively:
>impurity....
>2 NVI To sail; reached by sailing; flight, sailing....
>3 VT To scrape cooked taro with 'opihi shell or spoon after peeling is
>removed,
>to clean it in preparation for pounding.
>4 Variant of kela
>5 N. A fresh water weed
>6 N. Any kind of wild taro
>7 (rare) N. Jelly jam
>
>That is quite a lot of strangely different meanings for one little word.
>There are others with even longer blurbs.
>Context usually makes which meaning is meant clear.

Linguists like to differentiate between _polysemy_ and _homonymy_.  A word with multiple translations is polysemous if there's really just one *meaning* there, but it's a broad meaning, broad enough that to translate it we'd use multiple different words; it is homonymous if the two meanings are unrelated and belong to the same phonological form by pure accident.  If you see a word glossed "1. hand, 2. arm", it'll be polysemous: the speakers think of the hand-plus-arm as a single body part.  If you see a word glossed "1. hand, 2. cod" it'll probably be homonymous.  It looks like some of each is going on in Jim's Hawaiian dictionary entry, but I don't know the cultural background well enough to diagnose it.  (Like everything in language there are edge cases, but never mind those for now.)

If you, ATMunn, are making a naturalistic language -- see Logan's message about that -- with lots of very short roots, then there may or may not be sweeping polysemy but it's virtually certain that there will be a good measure of homonymy.  As Jim's saying, it doesn't cause the problems one might fear it would: the different uses can be told apart, especially when they are words of different parts of speech or otherwise different syntax (like a transitive vs. an intransitive verb, if your language sharply distinguishes those).  And you can pile a few more homonyms in there if they are (mostly) restricted to fixed collocations.  Think of English "keep at bay" or "bay horse": those two "bay"s are homonymous with (i.e. ultimately different from) the already existing three homonymous words "bay" (a plant, a water feature, an architectural feature) and don't really cause added confusion.

And that's another thing.  If a naturalistic language has lots of short words, they won't all be primitive ultra-basic easy-to-derive-from meanings.  Some of them will just be random words which sound change has reduced to that length and that simply haven't gotten replaced.

Alex

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