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CONLANG February 2018, Week 2

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Re: Bantu proper names

From:

Anaïs A <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 8 Feb 2018 07:24:57 -0600

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I don't think you would have to at all - at least in Swahili and Kinyarwanda, the two Bantu languages I'm most familiar with, names don't need any sort of prefix on them - as long as you use the appropriate agreement.



> On Feb 8, 2018, at 05:09, Pete Bleackley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> So, if I were translating into a conlang with a Bantu-like noun class system, I should add the relevant prefixes to proper names?
> 
> ----Original message----
> From : [log in to unmask]
> Date : 08/02/2018 - 10:12 (GMT)
> To : [log in to unmask]
> Subject : Re: Bantu proper names
> 
>> On 02/08/2018 08:53 AM, Pete Bleackley wrote:
>> How do proper names work in the noun class system of Bantu languages?
> 
> ndiyakuhamba esikolweni: I walk to school
> ndiyakuhamba imonti: I walk to East London.
> 
> Place names are a noun class.
> 
> Personal names.
> 
> European names are modified to the language sound pattern, and then
> added to the same noun class as traditional personal names.
> By way of example, "John" becomes "iJohn", but he is called something
> else. (^1)
> 
> There is a taboo against using a person's name, or a homophone thereof.
> Nicknames are common, but people usually don't know their nickname. (It
> is rude to ask others what one's nickname is. Furthermore, your nickname
> at work is different from your nickname at home.)
> 
> In some instances, there is also a taboo on using the name of the place
> where one lives. So instead of saying "imonti", you'll say (translated)
> "where the drunk captain ran his ship aground".
> 
>> Do they have class prefixes or not?
> 
> Singular form is one noun class.
> Plural form is a different noun class;
> 
> You have:
> * Subject concords;
> * Object concords;
> * Tense indicators;
> * Negation indicators;
> and a couple of other things that can appear at the beginning, middle,
> or end of the word.
> 
> 
> ^1: Formal documents, newspapers, and the like use proper names.  And
> traditionalists are extremely displeased, because it increases the
> chances of bad things happening to them.  However, there are ways to
> avoid the negativity of people directly using their name, most of which
> cost large sums of money, and involve things that smell very bad.
> 
> jonathon

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