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CONLANG  March 2018, Week 2

CONLANG March 2018, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Charting question

From:

Ian Spackman <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:56:32 +0000

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ʒ ͡ ʢ  ?? I’m never sure about epiglottals, but I think that’s what my best effort to imitate that sound was.

Ian

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: A Walker Scott
Sent: 11 March 2018 20:41 e͡
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Charting question

Here's a recording of me saying three sounds. The first is /ʒ/. The second,
I'm transcribing as /ʐ/. The third is the sound I'm trying to describe.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1xeY92ffscq

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Melroch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> 'Adam, since you speak Mandarin is it anywhere near a voiced version of
> Mandarin _x_? Your description looks a lot like the labialized voiced
> alveo(lo)palatal fricative I have as an allophone of Swedish /y/, i.e.
> [ʑ̩ʷ]. I probably have it nonsyllabic as an allophone of /j/ next to
> rounded vowels too. Your sound would be the same or its approximant
> counterpart which I would write [ʑ̞ʷ]. I can't be a retroflex in the usual
> sense since your tung tip is drooping.
>
> However since this is you it is probably an approximation of an alien phone
> anyway, so any symbol which denotes something similar to how you
> pronounce/hear it which doesn't collide with anything else in the same or
> associated langs will do, and since you think it's a retracted labialized
> rhotic I guess [ɹ̠ʷ] would work. If I'm not mistaken the ◌̠ may denote any
> amount of retractedness of the POA, the articulator or both.
>
> /bpj
> '
>
> Den 10 mar 2018 18:37 skrev "A Walker Scott" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > I don't think that it is velarized. there is no contact at the velum. It
> > feels like the back of my tongue is pulled down, not pushed up. It's
> like a
> > *very* back ezh with rounding and rhotic qualities. And with the tong tip
> > down. I'm struggling to give a good/uesful discription here.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Asher Jaffe <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think that maybe *ʐ̡ɣ would be the best symbol. (Velarized, rounded,
> > > voiced retroflex fricative)*
> > >
> >
>

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