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CONLANG March 2018, Week 3

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Re: OT: "Arrival" the 2016 film

From:

Eyal Minsky-Fenick <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:46:04 -0400

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Please please please direct complaints about the movie (at least most of
them, all of the above count) at the original short story (*Stories of your
Life*, Ted Chiang) instead.
The movie was a faithful adaptation as far as all the complaints above go.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I liked the movie. I do agree that the time travel and the linguistics were
> nonsense. But I don't expect realism or accuracy in this type of movie.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 2:57 PM, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Longyear's Enemy Mine treats language acquisition realistically, though
> > most of it happens "off screen," and, miracle of miracles, the movie
> > version left that aspect intact!
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 19 March 2018 at 21:34, Krista D. Casada <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > Someone (Meyers in Aliens and Linguists, maybe?) said that the one
> > > crisis science fiction characters never realistically go through is
> that
> > of
> > > learning a new language. Most have handy little universal translator
> > > gadgets or instantly acquire the language via miracle, telepathy, brain
> > > damage, or as in this movie, inexplicable alien intervention. Would
> y'all
> > > agree with this? Is it only time constraints that cause this to be true
> > (if
> > > you even think it is?)
> > >
> > > I wouldn't say *never*, 'cause I have read stories in which that
> > > happens. But it is certainly extremely rare. In TV, time constraints
> > > are probably largely to blame. It's a much bigger deal in a TV
> > > episode, or even a feature film, to take 30 seconds out of your
> > > limited run time to do even a compressed "language learning training
> > > montage", than it is to do the same thing in a written medium. But
> > > even in a written medium, your more likely to get *just* the
> > > compressed montage (or moral equivalent thereto) rather than a
> > > realistic depiction of the language acquisition process, and I think
> > > that is less to do with time constraints in the story and more to do
> > > with attention constraints. Most of the time, learning the language
> > > isn't what the story is about, so it makes sense to find ways to skip
> > > it, so that you can examine more important things (more important to
> > > the story at hand, that is--not necessarily in terms of the broader
> > > human experience!) And there just aren't a whole lot of stories that
> > > are really *about* language acquisition or similar.
> > >
> > > The best example I know of, that I've mentioned before, is _Dances
> > > with Wolves_, which is not about the process of language acquisition
> > > itself, but where language acquisition is one very obvious proxy for
> > > cultural integration, which *is* what the movie is about. It's not
> > > science fiction, but it does a decent job of showing the main
> > > character dealing with an initial language barrier, learning a new
> > > language, and teaching some of his language to others.
> > >
> > > -l.
> > >
> >
>



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