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Re: OT: "Arrival" the 2016 film

From:

Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:24:51 +0000

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On 19 March 2018 at 21:19, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I will agree that the one thing they got right was the time and confusion
> involved in learning an unknown language. The Whorfian thing is just so
> overdone. But absolutely none of the characters was at all interesting to
> me. I was sitting there watching a movie about aliens AND linguistics
> written buy a CHINESE author (A perfect storm for me!!) wondering when the
> thing would ever just get it over and END. I found the whole thing
> massively boring. And the plot twist at the end just made the whole story
> stupid, to me. I still plan to read the short story to see if it's
> significantly better than the movie.

It is significantly better. I feel much like Dirk towards the movie,
but they changed some rather significant elements. E.g., the movie
explicitly involves causal loops and back-time signalling, but the
original story does not.

-l.

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I actually thought the movie was a pretty good representation of
>> what field linguists do, given the constraints film-makers have put
>> on themselves.
>>
>> The Whorfian thinking didn't bother me a bit. For some perspective,
>> talk to a physicist sometime about time- / faster-than-light travel to
>> see how SF can get stuff intentionally and spectacularly wrong for
>> the sake of telling an interesting story.[1]
>>
>> AND THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE
>> TO ACT LIKE A MAN IN ORDER TO GET THINGS DONE.
>>
>> So I think that there's a lot to love about Arrival. But if what you're
>> interested in is linguistic realism, go take a linguistics course or do
>> your own fieldwork.
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>> [1] Whether you found the story of Arrival interesting or not is another
>> matter. I found it to be quite moving; it's a story of a mother's love for
>> her child, not first contact with aliens and saving the world.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Asher Jaffe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > The film does treat the audience like idiots who know nothing about
>> > language whatsoever, so Forrest Whitaker is a complete idiot.  The rest
>> of
>> > it was a little lame.  It took the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis too goddamn
>> far.
>> > I hate the S-W hypothesis.  It's fine in small doses but NO!  Time does
>> not
>> > work that way!  Language doesn't allow you to make a paradox!  Overall,
>> > it's a linguistically uninteresting and inaccurate rehash of Christopher
>> > Nolan's* The Prestige* or* Memento*.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:27 PM, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > LOL There was a thread right about the time of the release. It seems
>> like
>> > > Alex, or maybe Sai, was involved, or maybe even started it. I don't
>> > > remember much about the content, and may have been putting of reading
>> the
>> > > thread until I saw the movie, which I did after it came out on video. I
>> > > felt much like you. I wanted to strangle SOMEbody. Not another
>> > Sapir-Whorf
>> > > rehash. It's been done. It's not fresh. It's not cutting edge. It isn't
>> > > even valid.
>> > >
>> > > Adam
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Krista D. Casada <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hello all,
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Has there been any discussion of the 2016 film "The Arrival,"
>> starring
>> > > Amy
>> > > > Adams and Jeremy Renner, on this list--on a thread I might have
>> missed?
>> > > > Watched it and wanted to strangle someone, but have not yet decided
>> > whom.
>> > > > 😉 Would be very interested in others' opinions, especially of the
>> > > > linguistic aspects. ("You translated Farsi videos in, like, ten
>> > minutes.
>> > > > Whaddya mean you can't *translate* this unknown alien language?!?")
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Krista C.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>

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