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CONLANG  April 2018, Week 3

CONLANG April 2018, Week 3

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Re: Languages for collective species

From:

Katerina <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:06:18 +0300

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*On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]
<[log in to unmask]>> wrote:A group mind implies some sort of constant,
low-level communication between members. What would they have a language? A
remnant of some pre-unification state?*

this is an interesting idea and one that hadn't occurred to me before.
possibly; i was also thinking about the close connection between language
and higher reasoning. our group-conscious species is certainly capable of
advanced reasoning and emotion, and focused on intellectual contemplation
above all (something of an understatement - at this point their collective
psyche is, in effect, just about all superego and little else) and it
seemed logical that they should have a language, even if it's not used to
communicate with entities outside of the superorganism and only manifests
"on the inside" as their equivalent of a communal internal monologue.











*On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:27 PM, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]
<[log in to unmask]>> wrote:Éikyivrin! If you've never read it, you might
want to check out Vernor Vinge's "A Fire Upon the Deep", which features a
race of wolf-like aliens in which each individual is in fact a pack of 4 to
8 bodies. Although the novel doesn't offer any low-lever details about
their language, it does describe them as having two different forms of
communication: a language analoguous to ours for inter-pack communication,
and another form of communication used for sharing thoughts between pack
members. *

i have, and i love it! it's among my most favorite sci-fi novels to date,
to a considerable extent exactly because of the something unusual take on
the tines' gestalt consciousness. it was a refreshing change compared to
the usual interpretation of a hive mind as a hostile force that expands
uncontrollably and seeks to subjugate every other species it encounters
and/or to fill all the available space (the packs of the tines are
extremely hostile toward each other, which could be regarded as a variation
on the same theme of the collective intelligence not being able to connect
to or tolerate anything outside of itself, even those of the same kind, but
it's still not the same as, say, the borg in the star trek franchise or the
swarm in starcraft). what i found most interesting is that they appear to
be aware both as individuals and as a collective entity, although it's only
the collective consciousness that is capable of reasoning in the full sense
of the word, while the separate minds are dim and probably on the same
level as a wolf or dog in our world. i later used this in the book we are
now writing - the constituents of the T'elχ are aware as separate entities
and there are times when the shared inner monologue cases and each
constituent is left to itself, but they are also aware as a single
collective entity (Azila described this as periods of "singing together"
interspersed with pauses when it's "quiet", though the sense of being
inextricably linked persists and everyone can sense the presence of
everyone else, with the "song" spontaneously picking up as one of the
constituents starts and the others join in).

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 2:27 AM, Gabriel Brinton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I haven't seen him around here lately, but Matt Pearson invented a hive
> language for the NBC show Dark Skies. The show didn't run for long, but
> maybe Matt can come out of hiding to tell us more about the language,
> Thhtmaa. The only direct consequences I remember their hiveyness having on
> the language were some extra distinctions in the plural third person
> pronouns and agreement, and some extra kinds of plural in general. I'm sure
> it went deeper than that though, and there was plenty of other weirdness
> just from the fact that it was a non-humanoid exolang.
>
> -Gabe
>

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