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CONLANG  May 2018, Week 1

CONLANG May 2018, Week 1

Subject:

Conditions and Counter Factuals

From:

Stewart Fraser <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 5 May 2018 09:45:36 +0800

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I would like to open a discussion about how languages express contingency situations and counter factual situations (from now on C and CF). I could just read all the papers about the subject I could find … but sometimes that is hard going and often fruitless. It is more fun to discuss things on a forum like this.

A quick recap of what we are talking about …

C sentences (often also referred to as conditional sentences) are at heart logical contructions, saying “if A is true then B is also true”. A large percentage of the sentences we utter are C sentences and they are essential for future planning. CF are similar but they apply to an Alternative Universe if you like … “if A were true then B would be also true”. Can also be useful for planning … assuming this Alternative Universe works the same way as our Universe. A fair percentage of the sentences we utter are CF sentences.

Maybe a suitable question to kick off a discussion on this topic would be …

“Does anybody know of a language that has a particle or an affix that expesses CF and nothing else ? ”

Unfortunately this is not a feature covered by WALS. 

Of course many languages have a subjunctive, which are used in C and CF. But the subjunctive is used in many non-asserted situations. Joan Bybee reckons that a subjunctive forms are old indicative forms. When a language gets a new form for asserting things (insisting on things) it is usual for the old indicative form to persist in clauses that are unasserted. This makes sense to me. I have never found a better explanation.

So I think it OK to discount the subjunctive from this discussion.

As far as I know all languages have a means of expressing C. Even if it is just a word such as “wenn” in German. A sort of adverb, applied to B which means “at the time of A” (remember … “if A is true then B is also true”). Having a means to express C is just to useful a thing to have. If somehow “if” were to be banished overnight from English I can see something being quirkly roped in to express C … perhaps “ink” <= “in case” or something similar.

Has a language (natlang) found it equally necessary to express CF situations and roped in a bit phonetic material to represent CF situations (and nothing else). Easy for a conlang creator to assign a unique CF particle/affix … does anyone know of one ?

At the moment I know of no such natlang. So I am assuming that while it is nice to have a way to express CF, it is not essential.

 … Stewart

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