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CONLANG July 2018, Week 2

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Re: OT: ce n'est / qu'un debut / continuons le / combat!

From:

Raymond Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:37:45 +0100

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On 09/07/2018 17:00, And Rosta wrote:
[snip]
> football being a flavour of each C), I'm curious about the origin of 
> that chant rhythm. Apparently it antedates May 68, given its use in 
> the 1961 ballet Alex mentioned, but of its origin it seems Nobody 
> Knows.

Predates that as well.  I knew it as a schoolkid in the 1950s.  In those
far off days, bus drivers were incabs with no contact with passengers.
While a passager could press the bell for a bus to stop, only the
conductor was allowed to give the two bells to signal to the driver the
pull away.  I recallon on occasion as a rather grumpy conductor had her
hand over the bell button ready for the 'beep beep', we all came out
with the chant ready for her to add the 'two bits/ five bob' or whatever
last two notes.

> The message you're replying to is about another musical phrase, 
> mentioned by Alex, which can be heard in "Gee, Officer Krupke, Krup 
> you!", the end of "Officer Krupke" in West Side Story.

Yes, but as the 'Shave and a Haircut' site that Alex gave says, it at
least dates back to the 19th century.

I was interested to read "It is strongly associated with the stringed
instruments of bluegrass music, particularly the 5-string banjo."  My
elder son has for very many year been a keen banjoist - indeed, he has
made instruments of his own - and a lover of bluegrass.  I have
frequently heard him using it as a coda at te end of a piece.

Though as boys in the 1950s we associated it (maybe wrongly) with
Cockney cultures and 19th century Musical Halls.

Ray

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