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CONLANG  July 2018, Week 2

CONLANG July 2018, Week 2

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Re: The Gamification of Conlangs

From:

Daniel Swanson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 14 Jul 2018 13:27:11 -0500

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> I realize that Duolingo isn't going to be interested in having a Teach
> Yourself Kash when only a dozen or so would be interested in learning it.
> However, I'm sure that a simple, no-frills clone of Duolingo could be
> produced just for the conlanging world.

A few years ago I had roughly the same thought and decided to try to
actually build such a thing. At the time I misunderstood how Duolingo
worked and ended writing a program to randomly generate syntax trees and
use structural transfer to produce translations. The results so far are
here: https://github.com/mr-martian/potential-doodle

If that sounds useful to anyone I would be happy to finish documenting it
and try to add some of the gamification bits.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Daniel Bensen <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Please do! I love Lang Belta.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:34 PM, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've been learning Lang Belta on Memrise. It's quite a fun, and
> believable,
> > creole. I'm considering a blog post about Lang Belta.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 8:54 AM Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry if this point has been brought up, and please excuse any
> typos
> > in
> > > my infamously typo-filled ramblings.
> > >
> > > Some time ago a number of us brought up the idea of learning someone's
> > > conlang, and the conlangs chosen were Kelen and gzb, if I remember
> right.
> > > Unfortunately those projects didn't quite reach fruition.  Afterwards I
> > > spent a bit of time searching for conlangs which had lessons for
> > > self-learning.  I found a few interesting partial sets of lessons, some
> > of
> > > them from conlangs that have almost disappeared (like the Borg
> conlang).
> > > Obviously there are resources available for the more well-known
> languages
> > > (Esperanto, Klingon, &c), but I was more interested in the smaller
> known
> > > but well-developed languages (Teonaht, Vaior, Itlani, Alurhsa ... and
> > sorry
> > > if I'm mis-spelling some of these).
> > >
> > > So we come to the present day.  It doesn't seem that there are lots of
> > > textbooks being written to teach conlangs, but I have come across
> > something
> > > which I'm sure all of the rest of you have discovered.
> > >
> > > The Duolingo website uses the mechanics and fun of video games to
> > encourage
> > > one to engage in translation exercises for the language one is trying
> to
> > > learn.  I don't know the scientific doo-dads of "gamification," but I'm
> > > sure someone on the list could explain how this works.  Suffice it to
> > write
> > > that, in addition to being a learning aid for many natural languages,
> the
> > > site does feature two of the classics of conlanging: Esperanto and
> > Klingon.
> > >
> > > I have tried a few "lessons" or "games" in Esperanto and Klingon, and I
> > > have found them quite enjoyable.  Here is a link to the Esperanto
> > lessons:
> > >
> > > https://www.duolingo.com/course/eo/en/Learn-Esperanto-Online
> > >
> > > Moreover, I have learned that the Memrise website, a site used to help
> > one
> > > memorize things using a flash card system, has many vocabulary lists
> for
> > > conlangs.  Under "constructed languages" one can find the classics
> > > (including Lojban, Na'vi, and Quenya), and under "Other Languages" one
> > can
> > > find lists for other conlangs, such as Volapuk, Ido, and many others:
> > >
> > > https://www.memrise.com/courses/english/constructed-languages/
> > >
> > > https://www.memrise.com/courses/english/other/
> > >
> > > Anyway, there are a number of non-famous conlangs which are certainly
> > > well-developed enough for others to learn, but do not have textbooks
> and
> > > other materials available sufficient to teach them.  The conlangs that
> I
> > > have in mind are (among others): Alurhsa, gzb, Idrani, Itlani,
> Kamakawi,
> > > Kash, Kelen, Teonaht ... and certainly many others which don't come to
> my
> > > mind at the moment.
> > >
> > > I wonder whether anyone has ever considered the "gamification" option
> for
> > > learning these conlangs.
> > >
> > > I realize that Duolingo isn't going to be interested in having a Teach
> > > Yourself Kash when only a dozen or so would be interested in learning
> it.
> > > However, I'm sure that a simple, no-frills clone of Duolingo could be
> > > produced just for the conlanging world.
> > >
> > > And, of course, anyone can contribute to Memrise.  I think it would be
> > fun
> > > to start learning Teonaht nouns and Itlani verbs.
> > >
> > > Sorry if I'm not expressing myself very well.  I'm not versed on the
> > > sciency bits of how gamification works.
> > >
> > > One of these days, I would like to learn a conlang which isn't one of
> the
> > > Big Famous Ones.
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Daniel Swanson, Certified Geek

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