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CONLANG  July 2018, Week 2

CONLANG July 2018, Week 2

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Re: The Gamification of Conlangs

From:

David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:35:06 -0700

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As someone who’s created a course on Duolingo for one of his conlangs, I think it’s a fantastic way to teach and learn a language. It’s not simple (there are some technical quirks that have nothing to do with language that you have to work through), but it’s the type of thing that a conlanger could devote serious time to and produce a fantastic result.

I personally see absolutely no reason why Duolingo should be gated—i.e. why certain languages are allowed in the Incubator while others wait. If a conlanger wants to put together a course and only ten people take it, that’s fine! Those ten people will be grateful, it’ll mean the world to that conlanger, and the conlang will be preserved in a uniquely thorough way. All it costs is time and server space. 

Duolingo has come up with Tiny Cards (their answer to Memrise) which isn’t gated, but it’s not the same. The idea Duolingo hit upon is so useful and so unique, though, that I’m confident some day either the flood gates will open there, and anyone will be able to jump in the Incubator, or, as you suggested, Puey, someone will come up with a workable clone—maybe someone here (i.e. the Duolingo version of FrathWiki as opposed to Wikipedia). Based on the way it works, it rather reminds me of the Kalusa interface Gary Shannon created. After all, all it does is allow you to create words which themselves become links to every instance of that word. Obviously it’s a lot of work to create an interface that sleek, but if it could be done once, it could be done again, and I’m in favor of it!

-David

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> On Jul 14, 2018, at 6:54 AM, Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry if this point has been brought up, and please excuse any typos in
> my infamously typo-filled ramblings.
> 
> Some time ago a number of us brought up the idea of learning someone's
> conlang, and the conlangs chosen were Kelen and gzb, if I remember right.
> Unfortunately those projects didn't quite reach fruition.  Afterwards I
> spent a bit of time searching for conlangs which had lessons for
> self-learning.  I found a few interesting partial sets of lessons, some of
> them from conlangs that have almost disappeared (like the Borg conlang).
> Obviously there are resources available for the more well-known languages
> (Esperanto, Klingon, &c), but I was more interested in the smaller known
> but well-developed languages (Teonaht, Vaior, Itlani, Alurhsa ... and sorry
> if I'm mis-spelling some of these).
> 
> So we come to the present day.  It doesn't seem that there are lots of
> textbooks being written to teach conlangs, but I have come across something
> which I'm sure all of the rest of you have discovered.
> 
> The Duolingo website uses the mechanics and fun of video games to encourage
> one to engage in translation exercises for the language one is trying to
> learn.  I don't know the scientific doo-dads of "gamification," but I'm
> sure someone on the list could explain how this works.  Suffice it to write
> that, in addition to being a learning aid for many natural languages, the
> site does feature two of the classics of conlanging: Esperanto and Klingon.
> 
> I have tried a few "lessons" or "games" in Esperanto and Klingon, and I
> have found them quite enjoyable.  Here is a link to the Esperanto lessons:
> 
> https://www.duolingo.com/course/eo/en/Learn-Esperanto-Online
> 
> Moreover, I have learned that the Memrise website, a site used to help one
> memorize things using a flash card system, has many vocabulary lists for
> conlangs.  Under "constructed languages" one can find the classics
> (including Lojban, Na'vi, and Quenya), and under "Other Languages" one can
> find lists for other conlangs, such as Volapuk, Ido, and many others:
> 
> https://www.memrise.com/courses/english/constructed-languages/
> 
> https://www.memrise.com/courses/english/other/
> 
> Anyway, there are a number of non-famous conlangs which are certainly
> well-developed enough for others to learn, but do not have textbooks and
> other materials available sufficient to teach them.  The conlangs that I
> have in mind are (among others): Alurhsa, gzb, Idrani, Itlani, Kamakawi,
> Kash, Kelen, Teonaht ... and certainly many others which don't come to my
> mind at the moment.
> 
> I wonder whether anyone has ever considered the "gamification" option for
> learning these conlangs.
> 
> I realize that Duolingo isn't going to be interested in having a Teach
> Yourself Kash when only a dozen or so would be interested in learning it.
> However, I'm sure that a simple, no-frills clone of Duolingo could be
> produced just for the conlanging world.
> 
> And, of course, anyone can contribute to Memrise.  I think it would be fun
> to start learning Teonaht nouns and Itlani verbs.
> 
> Sorry if I'm not expressing myself very well.  I'm not versed on the
> sciency bits of how gamification works.
> 
> One of these days, I would like to learn a conlang which isn't one of the
> Big Famous Ones.

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