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CONLANG November 2018, Week 1

Subject:

Re: aUI Verbal Paradigm

From:

Andrea Patten <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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Sorry, I didn't mean to come across so adament with the exclamation
marks...and left out 'me' in the first sentence. ;)

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018, 06:13 Andrea Patten <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Well I appreciate the concern about preserving my father's original form,
> and believe I think long and hard whether I dare make any change (even
> regarding word definitions, which are meant to have creative variations as
> long as they are understood), but in this case, also after talking with my
> mother about it, it is simpler to conjugate the helping verb rather than
> the participle!! When would you conjugate a participle (which is an
> adjective) for tense?? Does Latin do that?!
>    As it is, there would be 6 different participle forms for present,
> past, future, and their perfect forms with endings up to 6 letters long. It
> makes more sense to divide up the *same ending* and give the time reference
> to the helping verb and keep the base form -Am [Time-Quality] = occurring
> over Time Adj., for the participle (still maintainIng its 3 main forms for
> present, past, and future, -vAm, -pAm, -tAm).
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 11:51 Andrea Patten <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much for your interest and effort with aUI!
>> Of course I've spent much time in studying the grammar section in order
>> to be able to present it in a more organized, user-friendly way on the
>> website.
>> A few comments below:
>>
>> Am Di., 30. Okt. 2018 um 05:47 Uhr schrieb Puey McCleary <
>> [log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> I have been a fan of aUI for a long time.  When I discovered Weilgart's
>>> aUI
>>> book in the local university library some years ago, I painstakingly
>>> photocopied every page, since I was under the impression that this was
>>> the
>>> only copy of this remarkable language in all of existence.
>>>
>>> Let me apologize first off if I'm repeating anything which has been
>>> written
>>> before.
>>>
>>> First off, I would not simplify or change aUI in any manner, but rather I
>>> would document the language in all of its confusing glory.  Part of the
>>> charm of aUI is that it appears to be a language which, like many a
>>> story,
>>> has grown in the telling.  Of course, one should make some concessions to
>>> the digital age; the aUI book that I found appeared to have been written
>>> on
>>> a typewriter, with all manner of diacritics and other addenda added by
>>> hand.  For instance, the nasalized vowels appear to be underlined;
>>> nowadays
>>> those vowels could be represented with tildes, asterices, small "N," a
>>> raised eng, and the like.
>>>
>>
>> Some of those were just added later, but it was not typewritten (Indian
>> publisher).
>>
>>>
>>> But let us turn to our main subject, the aUI verb.
>>>
>>> The following is a quotation from "A Priori Artificial Languages" by Alan
>>> Libert (2000):
>>>
>>> 5.6.5 -- Participles
>>>
>>> aUI has a relatively large array of participles, all of which are marked
>>> by
>>> -A-m ("time-quality").  The endings of the different participles are
>>> below
>>> (from a table in Weilgart (1979:50B)).
>>>
>>> Active Passive
>>> Present -v-Am (-yv)-Am
>>> Past   -p-v-Am -p-Am
>>> Future -t-v-Am -t-Am
>>> Past Perfect -pA-p-v-Am -pA-p-Am
>>> Future Perfect -tA-p-v-Am -tA-p-Am
>>>
>>> Table 5.26: aUI Participle Endings
>>>
>>> The future active participle and the present passive participle are
>>> "rarely
>>> used" (ibid.:47, 50B).
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, only two of the languages discussed in this section, aUI
>>> and Sotos Ochando, have future participles, and they are in line with
>>> UA1397, "A future participle implies both past and present participles
>>> but
>>> neither of the two converses is necessarily true."
>>>
>>> <End of Quotation>
>>>
>>> Okay, that seems clear enough.
>>>
>>> What I shall attempt to do is create a full verbal paradigm using the
>>> forms
>>> that Weilgart has given.  My source shall be "Part III. Grammar (pages
>>> 42-50D)" of his "The Language of Space: Fourth Edition" which I have in
>>> zeroxed form.
>>>
>>> Typoes, mistakes, and conjecture are my own.
>>>
>>> We shall use the verb "sev" (to give) since Weilgart gives us a partial
>>> paradigm.
>>>
>>> I reconstruct the active in thiswise:
>>>
>>> Active
>>> Indicative Participle Imperative
>>> Present sev sevAm serv!
>>> Past sepAv / bav sev sepvAm sepArv!
>>> Future setAv / tEv sev setvAm* setArv!
>>> Past Perf sep(A)pAv sep(A)pvAm sep(A)pArv!
>>> Fut Perf setApAv setApvAm setApArv!
>>>
>>> Infinitive: (at) sev
>>> Gerund: sevQ
>>>
>>> A few notes:
>>>
>>> The past and future tenses have either analytic forms (bav/tEv) or
>>> synthetic forms.  I don't think there's any difference in meaning,
>>> though I
>>> could image a speaker community creating a difference (sepAv = "gave,"
>>> bav
>>> sev = *"he indeed did give").
>>>
>>
>> My father only mentioned the bav/tEv option for those "allergic" to
>> endings. I am not including those except maybe as a note because they are
>> not really consistent with their literal meaning and will add confusion.
>>
>>>
>>> The passive perfect tense element is either -pAp or -pp-.
>>>
>>> The infinitive has an optional semi-prepositional thingie just like
>>> English
>>> "to."
>>>
>>> The imperative mood is used to express obligation or necessity.  sepArv
>>> means "he should have given," whilst setArv means "he will have to give."
>>>
>>
>> setArv would be more like "will ought to give"
>> It is a polite imperative, as in "you better drink your milk"
>>
>>>
>>> In the indicative mood the passive voice is formed either with the infix
>>> -y
>>> or by using cEv ("is/are") has a helping verb.
>>
>>
>> The helping verb would be used for participial adjectives.:
>>    'The vase was [fully] broken': pI riOio-gad *pAc* zwE-*pAm* (stative,
>> therefore participial adjective)
>>    'The vase was broken [at dinnertime]': pI riOio-gad zwE-*pA-Yv *(eventive,
>> therefore verbal passive)
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> *Weilgart gives an example of a future active participle are page 47:
>>> pIn yotvAm vrOUIv bu
>>> Those who will die shortly greet you.
>>> morituri te salutant
>>>
>>> I reconstruct the passive voice thusly:
>>>
>>> Passive
>>> Indicative Participle Imperative
>>> Present seyv / cEv sev se(yv)Am seryv!
>>> Past sepAyv / bav seyv sepAm sepAryv!
>>> cEv sev / cEv bav sev
>>> Future setAyv / tEv seyv setAm setAryv!
>>> cEv setAv / cEv tEv sev
>>> Past Perf sep(A)pAyv sep(A)pAm sep(A)pAryv!
>>> cEv sep(A)pav
>>> Future Perft setApAyv setApAm setApAryv!
>>> cEv setApav
>>>
>>> Infinitive: (at) seyv
>>>
>>> I don't know whether passive gerunds exist, but presumably *sevQv would
>>> mean "act or process of being given."
>>>
>>
>> it would be seYvQ  (-v ending would be a verb)
>>
>>>
>>> Moreover, I am not entirely sure that forms like "cev bav sev" ("was
>>>   cEv?
>>> given") were ever used by Weilgart, but they seem correct.
>>>
>>
>> no, this would be three verbs in a row; was given = se-*pA-Yv*
>>
>>>
>>> Now, let us turn to various other verbal elements.
>>>
>>> Weilgart provides us with four pre-verbal elements which allow one to use
>>> present tense forms in narration in order to express the other tenses.
>>> These forms are:
>>>
>>> pAg -- introduces past tense
>>> tAg -- introduces future tense
>>> pApAg -- introduces past perfect tense
>>> fAg -- reenters present tense
>>>
>>> Moreover:
>>>
>>> Contrary-to-fact or unreality suffix added to verb: - yEc "would/should"
>>> Qg bu yc tepAv-yEc, yvu cEpAv-yEc yrOm.
>>> "If you had not come, she had been [sic] sad."
>>>
>>> From the example above, I take it that -yEc is added to both the protasis
>>> and the apodosis of contrary-to-fact conditions.
>>>
>>> Semi-irregular verbs:
>>>
>>> cEv: to be:
>>>
>>> cEv or 'c = is, are, be
>>> pAc = was
>>> tAc = will/shall be
>>>
>>> wYv = must
>>> wYvpAv = was obliged
>>> wYvtAv = will be obliged
>>>
>>> My guess is that wYv acts as an alternative to the imperative mood,
>>> especially in other tenses.  I would guess the meaning of this verb is:
>>>
>>
>> This would be a more forceful imperative.
>>
>>>
>>> wYv = * must, has to, should, ought to
>>> wYvpAv = * had to, should have, ought to have, was obliged to
>>> wYvtAv = * will have to, will be obliged to
>>>
>>> Miscellanious:
>>>
>>> Agent ending for nouns and verbs: -u
>>> vav -- to send
>>> vavu -- sender
>>> yvov -- to kill
>>> yvovu -- killer
>>>
>>> Causative should start with v- or have a -v- before the first vowel:
>>> ev -- to move
>>> vev --to make move, to drive
>>> dov -- to eat
>>> dvov -- to feed
>>>
>>> Alright, that's all that I can find on aUI verbs!  Long live aUI!
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for all your support.
>> Andrea Weilgart Patten
>>
>>
>> --
>> 18306 Sandridge Rd
>> Long Beach, WA 98631
>> 360.642.2916
>> 360.355.7863
>>
>

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