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CONLANG  November 2018, Week 3

CONLANG November 2018, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Conlinguistic discovery of the day

From:

Stewart Fraser <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Nov 2018 02:46:42 +0800

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I found this on the web …

https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01574254/document <https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01574254/document>

Paul's conclusion is …

“ … adjectives have to be postulated as a separate part of speech in Chinese, distinct from (intransitive) stative verbs."


… Stewart

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 8:49 PM, David McCann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:20:25 +0100
> BPJ <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> 
>> Dixon claims, in volume 2 of Basic Linguistic Theory, that there is no
>> language which doesn't have a class of adjectives which differs in at
>> least some way from nouns and/or verbs. I have until now thought that
>> Sohlob was a counterexample (a rather weak one being a conlang!) but
>> I just realized that adjectives and nouns in Sohlob differ from each
>> other in at least two obvious ways:
>> 
>> 1. While adjectives can be used as nouns of quality — for example
>> _raz_ means both 'green' and 'greenness' — nouns cannot function as
>> adjectives without derivation
>> 
>> 2. Only adjectives can take suffixes of comparison and degree.
>> 
>> However I haven't figured out to what degree these differences
>> proceed from semantics rather than grammar.
> 
> The second definitely seems like a matter of semantics. Consider the
> fact that a diminutive suffix wouldn't work with an abstract noun.
> 
> The second does seem like a real difference. A similar difference
> occurs in Hausa. Consider
> jírgí-n sámá "aeroplane" vehicle-LINKER sky
> fárí-n zánèe "white cloth" whiteness-LINKER cloth
> The second can be reversed with the absence of the linker — zánèe fáríi
> — but the first can't.
> 
> But what of Chinese? Are there any differences in construction between
> verbs meaning "want" and "be old"? Both can take the adverb "very". If
> there are no differences, that obviously refutes Dixon.

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