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CONLANG  November 2018, Week 5

CONLANG November 2018, Week 5

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Re: Progressive Rock

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:34:13 +0100

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Hallo conlangers!

On 29/11/2018 23:04, John Q wrote:

> Pete Bleackley wrote:
>
> For me, the defining features are
> 1: Openness to influences from other genres
> 2: Experimentation with musical structures
> 3: Letting your imagination run riot.
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Yeah, in hindsight, I like your way of describing progressive-rock better than mine.  I should at least not have limited my description to inspiration from classical music, given the clearly discernible influence of world-beat and zeuhl in several of the Kaduatán songs, not to mention all the prog out there that is filled with jazz elements (e.g., the Canterbury bands).

Actually, the term originates in a designation ("progressive rock",
"progressive pop" or "progressive music") which was used in the late
1960s for all kinds of innovative rock music associated with the
Counterculture (hippies, student movement, etc.). This included,
especially in American usage, lots of stuff which is no longer
considered progressive rock today, all the way from the Grateful Dead to
Jimi Hendrix to Frank Zappa. This genre took different forms in
different countries and regions (even Northern and Southern California
brought forth different styles) due to cultural differences (for
instance, the English progressive musicians could draw on their
country's traditions more freely than the German ones, whose heritage
was forever cursed by the abuse of it by the Nazis; it made a big
difference whether your father fought in an honorable war for freedom or
a despicable war for world domination). What is now called "Krautrock",
for instance, was known as "progressive Musik" in late-60s and early-70s
West Germany (the term "Krautrock" was coined by British music
journalists; it is often attributed to John Peel, but that is at least
uncertain).

This usage of "progressive" was derived from the notion of social
progress, which the Counterculture entertained, though the notion of
musical experimentation also played a part. What we now call
"progressive rock" started as the English (I mean, pertaining to
England) flavour of this wider "progressive" genre. The semantic shift
happened when most other regional flavours of "progressive music" failed
to transgress the borders of their home countries and faltered as the
70s moved on and the Counterculture lost momentum, while English
progressive rock became a model for a new generation of bands from
everywhere. In some cases, bands from the non-English genres shifted to
progressive rock based on the English model, such as the West German
bands Eloy and Grobschnitt.

But why did progressive rock from England eclipse all other national and
regional progressive musics? What was so unique about it that it came to
become a global genre, persisting ever since then (even though it lost
mainstream popularity in the late 1970s)? This is hard to tell, but it
seems as if English progressive rock, drawing on an unbroken musical
heritage (English "classical" music did not become dominated by
serialism as everywhere else in Western Europe and North America, which
turned out to be a dead end), was more accessible than, for instance,
West German Krautrock with its stagnant collective improvisations, and
with its changeful pieces progressing through different movements, was
more entertaining and inspiring. But maybe my perception of these
matters are clouded by my own preference for it. Tastes differ!

> At any rate, here's what I came up with as an Ithkuil word to describe progressive-rock music:  
>
> ujjîlmašxhiarqâţrô
>
> (QUASI-)LITERAL TRANSLATION:  "genre of music to shake one's body to that is complex to the point of generating synergistic effects and emergent properties in a wondrous way".

That is an amazing word!

BTW: I am writing progressive rock music myself (though with lyrics in
English rather than a conlang), and I am currently trying to get a band
together in order to perform it.

--
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