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CONLANG December 2018, Week 1

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Re: Lexember

From:

"C. Brickner" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 1 Dec 2018 09:55:19 -0500

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The fact that your conlang is a posteriori doesn't mean that you're not creative. Unless you're using the exact same word as your source, then you're being creative.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 07:21:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lexember

I too have no idea whether I'll continue with Lexember. I've never done one before. I have no dictionary. My language is so brand new that almost every word is new. Moreover, it is _a posteriori_ so creating words isn't necessarily creative — altho I do at some stage want to start throwing out MnE roots and begin creating words based on some internal derivation technique, as the language matures.

However, I will make an effort on at least the easy days of the week. I'm not sure I want to conlang-through-authorative-sources like dictionaries and grammars. So instead I'll translate utterances from dialogues or stories and point out the new bits (or ramble about the experience).

Therefore: here's a few utterances from a dialogue. More of it will hopefully follow in the next few days.

SAM:
ɑ: wɑjɑ
oh howareya

NICK:
geɾæi
g'day

SAM:
nic iɲi si: ɤm sɑpɹɤshɤ:
Nick inhere see I'm suprise hand
Nick.ABS inhere see.TR 1s.IPF surprise-INSTR
lit. I'm seeing you here with surprise
i.e. I'm surprised to see you here

"Nick" and "Sam" are just placeholder names. I think I'll eventually create a new naming culture, whose names may or may not be inspired by common contemporary names, but I don't want to have to do that yet. So regard them as uncanonical.

Words not previously attested: 

The greetings:
* wɑjɑ/how are you
* g'day/geɾæi

* sɑpɹɤ:s/suprise (i.e. surprise)
* the suffix -hand/-hɤ:

Of these, only "-hand" demonstrates any shift, mostly grammaticalisation. I have in mind that this kind of grammaticalisation (i.e. the use of compound heads grammaticalising into postposed prepositions) was an almost deliberate form of distinguishing the community from outsiders. Consequently I antipicate that in speech there is a great variety of them, not all of which become standard. Previous translations had retained "with" which is probably closer to my authorial intent and I would expect it in most written texts.

But the more I use it, the more I think the most distinctive feature of the language is its complete avoidance of infinite clauses. I'm happy with that. It was an afterthought, brought about by remembering previous conlanging endeavors. But it constrains me much more than any of my deliberate plans.

"Nick" has been fronted out of some combination of (a) being the cause of the surprise and therefore more interesting (b) being a human specifically mentioned (c) being the second person.

-- 
Tristan.

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Jim Thain wrote:
> On Nalbanda there is a grasslike plant that has been used for both musical
> instruments and wands, among other uses.
> This plant family also has species that are very similar to our bamboo.
> 
> The Kadda Andela name for this plant is: poipa,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:03 AM BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > 1 Lexember 2018
> >
> > I'll try to take part in Lexember this year, even though it is extremely
> > hard for me to come up with vocabulary. I may well run dry before the month
> > is over and I may not be able to contribute every day because of Real Life.
> > I hope you all have consideration for that. I'll do my best of course!
> >
> > In Proto-Sohlob there was a group of words for materials,  and substances,
> > all ending in _*-a_, with an accompanying augmentative in _*-u_ denoting a
> > large quantity or body of the substance and a diminutive in _*-i_ denoting
> > a small quantity or body of the substance. One example is Kijieb _ȟufa_
> > (Cl. Sohlob _ȟof_) 'stone (material)', _ȟufu_ (_ȟuf_) 'rock', _ȟufi_
> > (_ȟïf_) '(piece of) stone'.
> >
> > A bit of related story:
> >
> > Since these are rather old formations there has sometimes been more or less
> > semantic drift. The parade example is _*tyarsa, *tyarsi, *tyarsu_ 'some
> > kind of liquid' which in Classical Sohlob gives the culturally very
> > significant triplet _sahl_ 'wine', _sähl_ 'libation', _sohl_ '(large) body
> > of water'. The last word has de facto become the proper name of the lake,
> > "the confluence of the three rivers" in southern Sohldar from which the
> > land, the people and the language take their name. The lake, which together
> > with the rivers feeding it created an extensive fertile area sustaining a
> > large population, is called "the Sweet Sohl" in contradistinction to "the
> > Salty Sohl", the ocean. This word incidentally merged with _*tyus-r(y)a_,
> > from _*tyus-_ 'enfold' which gave the Linjieb word for '(the) ocean',
> > _ŧösl_ [ˈθœsl], already attested in the funerary inscription of Dozbȟïm (in
> > Kijieb: Dusbaȟimu) the Great which said that he ruled "from the mountains
> > to the _tyarsu_ and the _tyusra_". In Linjieb _*tyarsu_ remains distinct as
> > _ŧors_ which simply means 'lake', the Sweet Sohl being known by the
> > borrowed name _Sofl_.
> >

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