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CONLANG December 2018, Week 1

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Re: Transliteration tribulations

From:

Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:36:42 -0700

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Could you use ‘ for the diacritic? It's an obvious solution, so maybe
you've already considered and rejected it. It does have the virtue of a
classical pedigree (it's the Greek rough breathing), and Sapir (among
others) used it in his descriptive work as a convention for aspiration.

Dirk

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 9:37 AM kaleissin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The transliteration of my conlang Taruven uses plain {h} for too many
> things.
>
> 1. Standalone, for /h/
> 2. To show a breathy/aspirated stop, after the stop in question
> 3. To show a breathy/aspirated non-stop consonant, before that non-stop
> consonant
> 4. To show the softened stop at the end of a word: it is
> breathy/aspirated unless there's a following suffix.
>
> It's too many things because the original text has at a minimum three
> different symbols. 2 and 3 might be a single diacritic, 4 is definitely
> a diacritic on the stop.
>
> 4 is a bit tricky: a stop can be softened two ways, either with
> breathiness/aspiration, or a following epenthetic e (the latter is
> uncommon and not productive). In Taruven itself, the letter for a
> word-ending stop and a word-ending breathy/aspirated stop is different,
> even if they are pronounced the same. If there is no epenthetic e (which
> is written differently than an ordinary e anyway) then the word *must*
> end with a breathy/aspirated stop, so I don't *need* to write the h in
> the latter case. I do it anyway to make it easier for myself.  I've
> pretty much settled for {ẹ}, {ḥ} for these two (e, h with dot below).
>
> The problem is of course in compounds: in Vh+CV, the result isn't
> necessarily a breathy/aspirated C. Ditto VC+hV.
>
> There are two obvious ways to solve this: 1) find a diacritic that goes
> on the breathy/aspirated C, or a symbol next to it, or 2) find a
> diacritic/new symbol for the standalone, normal h. It took me forever
> just to settle for something for case 4, so does anyone have any ideas
> for case 2/3?
>
>
> Looks-wise the transliteration is inspired mostly by Sanskrit. It is
> heavy on the diacritics and I like it that way. As for typing it, a
> compose key[*] helps[**], but it isn't always easy to add new rules. {ẹ}
> and {ḥ} isn't covered by my current setup for instance.
>
>
> Link to the entire sound-system/transliteration-scheme for new/returning
> subscribers:
> http://taliesin.nvg.org/taruven/sounds.html
>
>
> [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
>
> [**] Also working on the last stand, über hyper hard core mega-nerd
> solution for this. Won't be finished this year. Stay tuned.
>
>
> t./K
>

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