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Re: What was I thinking with /z/ -> /h/?

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Ékivrin!

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 06:55:08PM -0500, Herman Miller wrote:
>I was going over a list of place names and notices an odd thing with the
>names "Mazavdi" and "Zalaché" ... the modern Yasaro names of these
>places have an /h/ where the original name has a /z/ (Mahǎali, Hanǎkii).
>This is a bit of a puzzle, but from what I've seen it makes sense that a
>/z/ would be borrowed as some other sound in Yassavran (since there's
>not any evidence that Yassavran had a /z/ phoneme). Most likely /z/
>would have been borrowed as /s/, and /s/ -> /h/ seems like a reasonable
>sound change, right? Modern "Zalaché" could have been changed from an
>earlier version of the name, like "Zadakéi". So the Yassavran names of
>Mazavdi and Zalaché could have been Masavlí and Sadakéi. It seems
>reasonable.

/s/ -> /h/ is definitely a reasonable sound change. I'm not aware of 
specific ANADEW's for /z/ -> /h/, but I wouldn't be surprised by it (it 
would probably go through /ɦ/ or /s/, as you mention). 
>
>There's just one problem: /s/ in Yassavran remains /s/ in modern Yasaro
>... in words like "Yasaro" among others. Yeah. I can see at least two
>options around this. Maybe /s/ only changed to /h/ in unstressed
>syllables (which means the change must have happened before the stress
>on final syllables was shifted to the next-to-last syllable). Or another
>option is that /z/ was borrowed as some other phoneme, /ɣ/ perhaps,
>which later merged with /h/. One problem with the first option is that
>"Srareví" (the Yassavran name for the Hrarevi region) is "Sarěvi" in
>modern Yasaro ... but maybe the /sr/ cluster was changed to /ʂ/ before
>the /s/ -> /h/ rule applied? It's possible, I guess. The problem with
>the second option is that the supposed /ɣ/ phoneme ought to have been
>represented in the spelling with its own letter. Maybe a spelling reform
>removed the /ɣ/ letter from the alphabet after it merged with /h/? I'm
>not too satisfied with either explanation, but I think the /s/ -> /h/
>change seems more likely.

Some options that come to mind for me:

(1) Have /s/ -> /h/ / _V, but geminate /s:/ -> /s/ and /s/ -> /s/ ?  #_.  
This is probably the worst of your options, since you'd still have to 
find a way for the initial /z/ of "Zalaché" to change to /h/ (unless you 
want to postulate an initial geminate /s:/ in "Símkal"). 

(2) Split the /s/ phoneme in your protolanguage into two sounds, and 
have one of them become /h/ and the other modern /s/. Then, have /z/ 
borrowed into Yassavran as the phoneme that became /h/, and use the 
other phoneme in the roots where you want to keep /s/ in the modern 
language. 

This is inspired by Finnish, where proto-uralic /*ʃ/ became /h/ but /s/ 
was retained as is, and Hungarian, where proto-uralic /*s/ was lost 
entirely, but /*sʲ/ was retained as modern /s/. 

(3) Some combination of these, the ideas you mention above, and anything 
else I haven't thought of. Bear in mind that the /z/ phoneme in the 
language that the place names are borrowed from may have a slightly 
different POA than the /s/ in Yassavran, so it wouldn't be too weird to 
see it borrowed as /ʃ/, /ş/, or something like that. 

 - kechpaja -

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