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Subject:

Re: USAGE Georgian Script Translation - Help?

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 25 Jan 2019 22:59:26 -0600

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Just as a confirmation, this is what Google Translate says it is:
milenasa da miloshs nona da andro tbilisi 1961ts’

Milan and Milos
Nona and Andro
Tbilisi in 1961

stevo

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:26 PM Serp Rivleau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Thank you so much, especially to Tim and Anaïs!
> It occurs to me that "Nona and Andro" is a suspiciously interesting phrase,
> and I think it plausible that this is not necessarily a couple's given
> names, but may mean "mother and father"; I know that 'nona' means mother in
> Italian, and 'andro' is the Latin root for man.
> This being so, I would hazard a guess that the horn may have been given as
> a wedding present to a newlywed couple by the parents of one of them.
>
> Any thoughts on this theory?
>
> -Serp J. Rivleau
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:19 AM C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Fascinating!
> > Charlie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim May <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:01:23 -0500 (EST)
> > Subject: Re: USAGE Georgian Script Translation - Help?
> >
> > I'm not in any way a proficient speaker of Georgian, but I have studied
> > the language a little in the past.  Anything I say below should be
> treated
> > as provisional until you can ask someone who actually speaks the
> language,
> > but I'm reasonably confident that I have the sense of it.
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:18:03 -0600
> > Anaïs Ahmed <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > The most that I can make out of it is:
> > >
> > > Milenasa(?) Milošs
> > > Nonada Andro
> > > Tbilisi 1961c' (and c' stands for c'eli which means year)
> > >
> > > The bottom part of course means "Tbilisi 1961" as Logan's friend noted.
> > > Of the words on top, the only one that makes any sense to me is Milošs
> -
> > > "to Miłosz".
> >
> > I essentially agree with all this.  The thing after the first word I'm
> > pretty sure is an ა <a> over a დ <d>; a ligated form of the word და _da_
> > "and".  Essentially a Georgian ampersand.
> >
> > So once Anaïs pointed out that the following word, მილოშს, is a dative,
> > the first line became clear to me; the first word is also in the dative,
> > but because it's in front of a _da_ it uses the long form of the suffix,
> > _-sa_ instead of _-s_.  So it's "To Milena and Milosh".  And the second
> > line I believe is also two coordinated names, "Nona and Andro", with the
> > _da_ written out normally this time.  So I'm guessing Nona and Andro gave
> > this horn to Milena and Milosh in Tbilisi in 1961.  (I assume it's the
> kind
> > of horn you'd use for drinking wine at a Georgian supra, which is a feast
> > involving a lot of formal toasts.)
> >
> > მილენასა და მილოშს
> > ნონა და ანდრო
> > თბილისი 1961წ
> >
> > milenasa da miloshs
> > nona da andro
> > tbilisi 1961ts'
> >
> > (I'm using a slightly different transliteration from Anaïs above; we
> don't
> > disagree on any of the letters as far as I can see.)
> >
> > Anyway, I hope this was of some help.
> >
>

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