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Subject:

Re: USAGE Georgian Script Translation - Help?

From:

Anaïs Ahmed <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 26 Jan 2019 07:16:50 -0600

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Serp, I find your hypothesis unlikely given Georgian's lack of relation to
any Indo-European language - and in any case, the word for mother is დედა
(deda) and the word for father is მამა (mama). In addition, these are known
to be Georgian names - consider for example the film director Andro
Enukidze, or the chess player Nona Gaprindashvili.

-Anaïs

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:10 PM MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Just as a confirmation, this is what Google Translate says it is:
> milenasa da miloshs nona da andro tbilisi 1961ts’
>
> Milan and Milos
> Nona and Andro
> Tbilisi in 1961
>
> stevo
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:26 PM Serp Rivleau <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you so much, especially to Tim and Anaïs!
> > It occurs to me that "Nona and Andro" is a suspiciously interesting
> phrase,
> > and I think it plausible that this is not necessarily a couple's given
> > names, but may mean "mother and father"; I know that 'nona' means mother
> in
> > Italian, and 'andro' is the Latin root for man.
> > This being so, I would hazard a guess that the horn may have been given
> as
> > a wedding present to a newlywed couple by the parents of one of them.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this theory?
> >
> > -Serp J. Rivleau
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:19 AM C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fascinating!
> > > Charlie
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tim May <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:01:23 -0500 (EST)
> > > Subject: Re: USAGE Georgian Script Translation - Help?
> > >
> > > I'm not in any way a proficient speaker of Georgian, but I have studied
> > > the language a little in the past.  Anything I say below should be
> > treated
> > > as provisional until you can ask someone who actually speaks the
> > language,
> > > but I'm reasonably confident that I have the sense of it.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:18:03 -0600
> > > Anaïs Ahmed <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The most that I can make out of it is:
> > > >
> > > > Milenasa(?) Milošs
> > > > Nonada Andro
> > > > Tbilisi 1961c' (and c' stands for c'eli which means year)
> > > >
> > > > The bottom part of course means "Tbilisi 1961" as Logan's friend
> noted.
> > > > Of the words on top, the only one that makes any sense to me is
> Milošs
> > -
> > > > "to Miłosz".
> > >
> > > I essentially agree with all this.  The thing after the first word I'm
> > > pretty sure is an ა <a> over a დ <d>; a ligated form of the word და
> _da_
> > > "and".  Essentially a Georgian ampersand.
> > >
> > > So once Anaïs pointed out that the following word, მილოშს, is a dative,
> > > the first line became clear to me; the first word is also in the
> dative,
> > > but because it's in front of a _da_ it uses the long form of the
> suffix,
> > > _-sa_ instead of _-s_.  So it's "To Milena and Milosh".  And the second
> > > line I believe is also two coordinated names, "Nona and Andro", with
> the
> > > _da_ written out normally this time.  So I'm guessing Nona and Andro
> gave
> > > this horn to Milena and Milosh in Tbilisi in 1961.  (I assume it's the
> > kind
> > > of horn you'd use for drinking wine at a Georgian supra, which is a
> feast
> > > involving a lot of formal toasts.)
> > >
> > > მილენასა და მილოშს
> > > ნონა და ანდრო
> > > თბილისი 1961წ
> > >
> > > milenasa da miloshs
> > > nona da andro
> > > tbilisi 1961ts'
> > >
> > > (I'm using a slightly different transliteration from Anaïs above; we
> > don't
> > > disagree on any of the letters as far as I can see.)
> > >
> > > Anyway, I hope this was of some help.
> > >
> >
>

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