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CONLANG  February 2019, Week 3

CONLANG February 2019, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Eye to eye

From:

A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:18:57 -0600

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As far as translating something like "eye to eye" literally being bad
translation practice, I would *generally* agree, BUT occasionally such
things happen. Isn't that exactly what calques are? Literal translations of
odd terms from one language to another. And, if I haven't misremembered,
English has the phrase "by the skin of one's teeth" exactly because of such
a literal translation from the Hebrew in...the Book of Job, I believe.
Translating literature is probably responsible for a fair few of
these...crosspollinations. So NOT a good idea to do with any frequency, but
acceptable with restraint.


*A. Walker Scott, Author of No Road Among the Stars*
*Sample or purchase No Road Among the Stars*:
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/872202



On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 3:23 AM Jim Hopkins <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Charlzko, sheri iidey nasu-nasu shukoryari! Itlanizhe ta tayvíd palyara
> ruzay ta loshíf ta nasarun ta mushagaludova rivshoyara.
>
> Honored Charles, we are “forehead to forehead” on this. In Itlani, the
> principle is the same but the coming together of foreheads represents one
> mindedness.
>
> Itlani Jim
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: C. Brickner
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:26 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Eye to eye
>
> My point in asking the question was to find out, if the expression is used
> in their conlangs, what prepositions/cases do conlangers use.
> I notice that English, like many other languages, has several ways to
> express agreement: I agree with him, I am in accord with him, I see eye to
> eye with him. In Wiktionary I find 10+ synonyms for "agree" for different
> situations. Nor is "eye to eye" the only way to express agreement in
> Senjecas. I think that, as long as the people of a conculture have eyes,
> the idiom is acceptable.
> Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 17:23:57 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Eye to eye
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 07:49:05 -0500, C. Brickner <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Hi!In a recent translation exercise I had to translate "eye to eye". Of
> course a synonymous expression could be used, to agree or to disagree, but
> I wanted to be as close to the original as possible.
>
> The devil hasn't had an advocate here yet, so: why?  Why do you want to
> put into your conlang (is this Senjecan?) a turn of phrase matching this
> English idiom?  Doing that seems, holistically, like bad translation
> practice, although I can see it might be useful for coming up with minor
> constructions whose translation equivalents you could use in different ways.
>
> I checked Wiktionary, as I usually do, and "eye to eye" there redirects to
> "see eye to eye".  Huh, fair enough, I guess it does only occur with
> "see".  There were no translations listed in the entry, but there were five
> other Wiktionaries which had entries for the English.  None of those gave a
> translation which appeared to have any noun in it twice (though in Malagasy
> there was a reduplication _mam(p(if))ilafila_ whose base I'm not good
> enough with Malagasy to know how to look up).  The Russian gave a few
> translations which seemed possibly equally idiomatic: _находить общий язык_
> 'find a common language', _сходиться во взглядах_ 'converge in views'
> (where _взгляд_ ~= 'view' in both the concrete optical and metaphoric
> mental senses).  Those seem like nice arrows to have in one's quiver when
> working out how to say this in a conlang.
>
> Alex
>

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