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CONLANG  April 2019, Week 5

CONLANG April 2019, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Have

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:11:37 +0200

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AFMOC Rhodrese being a Romlang of course has _(h)avair_. Neither Sohlob nor
Euia Twas have a 'have'. Sohlob uses the copula + possessed +
possessor-ADESSIVE e.g. _on zoǧd ïñ-at_ 'is elephant 1.SG.HON-ADE'. Euia
Twas uses its all-round subordinator: _mowtáakár=ía bány_
[ˈmɔwtɐkaɾiɐ̯ˈbaŋ] 'car=SUBR 1SG' with present imperfective copula
suppressed! Literally something like 'there is a car which is of me'. (Also
with a probable English loan as the possessed because I don't have my
vocabulary file at hand! :-) (Recall ‹ny› is /ŋ/ in ET which makes sense
since ‹y› is /ɰ/ — and ‹ý› is /ə/ and ‹ýy› is /ɨ/ which I'm sure makes Ray
happy. :-)

Den tis 30 apr. 2019 10:38Raymond Brown <[log in to unmask]> skrev:

> On 29/04/2019 13:19, taliesin the storyteller wrote:
> > On 4/29/19 1:06 PM, C. Brickner wrote:
> >> I'm also thinking of not having the  verb "to have" in the sense
> >> of possession, alienable or inalienable. The subject and the
> >> direct object alone mark the concept of possession.
> >
> > A verb for "to have is much more common among conlangs than
> > natlangs, at least among those conlangs in CALS. (Natlangs in CALS
> > are only those with 50 features in WALS or more.)
> >
> > http://cals.info/feature/117/
>
> Doesn't that rather reflect that most of the conlang creators were/are
> SAE speakers?     :)
>
> > WALS has some info on what non-having languages have instead.
> >
> > https://wals.info/chapter/117
>
> WALS map shows clear that having a verb "to have" is a SAE feature.  :)
> https://wals.info/feature/117A#2/16.6/153.6
>
> TAKE must necessarily have verb "to have" as it's simply ancient Greek
> without inflexions.
>
> Outidic has a verb "to have" (keskai) probabably because Dr Outis was an
> SAE speaker.   :)
> I notice Philippe Labbé's "Universalis Universalis" also has a verb "to
> have" (abe), almost certaily for the same reason.
>
> Of course Britainese will have to have a verb "to have" (possibly _avair_).
>
> But Brx at present doesn't have a verb "to have" and when the Predicates
> page is revised it is still not likely to have such a verb.  At present
> it has what WALS calls 'topic possessive' if what is possessed is
> indefinite, but "locational possessive" if the possessum is definite.
> This is likely to remain so.
>
> Ray
>

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