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CONLANG  May 2019, Week 3

CONLANG May 2019, Week 3

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Re: Thracian translation

From:

BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 15 May 2019 11:42:04 +0200

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In my writings on a-posteriori diachronic conlanging, whether a-posteriori
relative to some natlang or relative to/about someone else's (usually
Tolkien's) diachronic conlangs I use asterisks _after_ the word to indicate
con-status, so _foo*_ is a "synchronic" form which is unattested in the
sources, _*foo*_ is a pre-form not attested in the sources (e.g. Jibrish
_fó_ ought to be derived from Proto-Jibric _*phō_, but the original
author/real world scholars haven't actually given that form so I write it
_*phō*_) or modern Jibrish _fó_ ought to have been _phoo_ in Old Jibrish
but the form _phoo_ doesn't occur original author's writings/the natlang
sources, so I write it _phoo*_. Likewise _*bāwr_ and _baor_ don't occur in
the sources, and are probably not well-formed by the standards of the
sources so I write them _*bāwr**_ and _baor**_ so that I don't have to
write out "constructed [by me] form" and "probably not a form which Author
would construct"/"probably not a form which would exist in Natlang" in
words at every turn. Sometimes I use daggers † and ‡ before the form for
the same purpose, but (a) Tolkien uses † to indicate a "poetic form" and
(b) some authors use _†*foo_ to mean not well-formed reconstructed form and
(c) daggers may be hard to enter/may cause font problems. Daggers after a
form so as to not confuse with Markdown/email formatting are of course also
an option. "A whole postulated sentence."* with asterisk/dagger after a
quote is also useful.

Den lör 11 maj 2019 21:22Daniel Bensen <[log in to unmask]> skrev:

> Oops I forgot to add that pavis=child is attested (also spelled paivis,
> puis, and others). I guess I'm stuck with it.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019, 10:00 PM Daniel Bensen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > The first line of the poem is finally ready!
> >
> > *p**av**is**o**men* *kâ* *andâ* *bokâ* *il**omen* *ana* *heri**ms*
> >
> > 'pəvit͡somen kə 'andə 'bokə 'ilomen 'ana 'xerims
> >
> > play.1st.pl.imprf and flower.pl.neut.acc nice.pl.neut.acc
> choose.1st.pl.imprf
> > on hand.pl.masc.dat
> >
> > "We were playing and picking beautiful flowers by hand…"
> >
> >
> > *p**av**is**o* *= *I play < pavis = child < *péh₂wids (Greek páïs,
> > Armenian pʿokʿr)(constructed word)
> >
> > *kâ **=* and < *-kʷe (Phrygian -ke, Greek -te, Albanian dhe)(constructed
> > word)
> >
> > *andâ**s = *flower *< **h₂éndʰos (Greek ánthos, Albanian
> endë)(constructed
> > word)
> >
> > *bok**â**s* *= *nice, beautiful < *bʰoHu- (Albanian bukur)(constructed
> > word)
> >
> > *il**o **= *I choose, collect, gather < *leǵ- (Greek légō, Albanian
> > mbledh)(attested word: iltea "the chosen woman")
> >
> > *ana = *on, in, at < *h₁én (Greek aná, Albanian në)(attested word: an(a)
> > "on, in, at")
> >
> > *heris = *hand *< **ǵʰesr- (Phrygian zeira, Greek kheír, Albanian
> > dorë)(attested word: heris "hand" Greek loan?)
> >
> >
> > What do you think? I'm worried "paviso" and "andas" especially are too
> > Greek-looking. And maybe so are the verb conjugations. I'm having trouble
> > balancing the factual basis of the language (in real attestations and
> > plausible derivations from PIE) and my artistic vision for it (a bunch of
> > troglodytic assassins hissing at each other). Advice welcome!
> >
> > Dan
> >
>

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