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CONLANG May 2019, Week 3

Subject:

Re: New pwœŋŋyœń found?

From:

Eyal Minsky-Fenick <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 16 May 2019 11:08:36 -0400

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So I figure the voiceless resonants probably came from sequences of
resonant+medial <h>. The [?] coda probably comes from lenition of stops in
function words.
And it seems that there were two dialects, one of which had <mh> -> <ṁ>,
and the other had <mh> -> <ṁh>, <my> -> <ṁy>, and <mw> -> <ṁw>, and
similarly for other resonants and fricatives. Through dialect mixture, this
leaves only the gap of <mh>, which could easily be filled in by borrowings.

Also, I've changed my mind about all-ASCII version. Instead of <h> after
the consonant, make it <h> before the consonant, so <ṁṅŋ̇łṙħ̣ħ> become
<hm>, <hn>, <hng>, <hl>, <hr>, <hk>, <hg>. This obviates the need for extra
apostrophes except to disambiguate between yy and ȳ.

The two-byte encoding is as follows (UAD):

+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| PLACI | MANNI | A | MEDIA | H |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| F | R | L | PLACF | Y | TONE |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

PLACI is the place of articulation of the initial (0 = misc, 1 = velar, 2 =
dental, 3 = bilabial). MANNI is manner of articulation (0 = plosive, 1 =
affricate, 2 = fricative, 3 = nasal). A is aspiration/devoicing of initial.
(l/ł, r/ṙ, ħ/ħ̣, Ø/h have PLACI = 0, MANNI = 3/2/1/0. The second one in
each pair is aspirated/devoiced.)
MEDIA is the medial (0 = Ø, 1 = w, 2 = h, 3 = y).
H is 1 if the vowel is high (æuiy), 0 otherwise (aoeœ). F is 1 if the vowel
is front (eœiy), 0 otherwise (aoæu). R is 1 if the vowel is round (oœuy), 0
not round (aeæi). L is 1 for long vowels, 0 for short vowels.
PLACF is the place of articulation of the final (0 = glottal, 1 = velar, 2
= dental, 3 = bilabial). Y is 1 if the tone is yœŋ́, 0 if it is 'hin.
TONE is the rest of the tone (0 = level, 1 = rising, 2 = departing, 3 =
entering).
So 0000 is <a>/<a1> [a˩], FFFF is <ṁyȳ̌ḿ>/<hmyym8> [m̥jyːp˥], CAFE is
<pwœ̄̀ḿ>/<pwoeem7> [pʰwøːm˥˧].

pwœŋŋyœń [pʰwøŋ˩ŋjøn˥] comes out as CAC876D4; 'hin [ɣin˩] as 0590, yœŋ́
[jøŋ˥] as 06C4, pyaŋ́ [pʰjaŋ˥] as CE0C, jyœ́ŋ́ [t͡ʃjøŋ˧˥] as 56CD, kyỳ
[kʰjy˧˩] as 4FC2, ŋī̌m [ŋiːp˩] as 71BB.


On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 12:48 PM Eyal Minsky-Fenick <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Honestly, half the idea was to come up with something for which all licit
> syllables fit naturally in two bytes.
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:05:52 -0400, Eyal Minsky-Fenick <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >So, I've come up with a weird idea for a Chinese topolect.
>>
>> Do you have in mind sound changes and a point of divergence from the
>> Chinese mainstream? There are some funny things in here, like voiceless
>> resonants, which were gone from Old Chinese before the time of Qieyun
>> (unless yours are somehow secondary), and an aspiration contrast in
>> fricatives, which I can't see how to make phonemic given that you're
>> "spending" the voicing contrast on the yin/yang tone split.
>>
>> >In tones 4/8 (and only tones 4/8) the plosive allophones of the finals
>> are
>> >used.
>>
>> Yeah, for Middle Chinese this is a good analysis. In some ways I like it
>> more than the normative Western one, that says there were three tones with
>> no contrast in checked syllables. Both are equally correct descriptively,
>> but the no-really-four-tones analysis gives a reason why the distribution
>> of nasals and their corresponding stops in coda should be identical, when
>> generally there are lots of phonotactic restrictions on nucleus+coda
>> sequences. On the other hand the fact that open syllables can't take
>> entering tone is arbitrary in the four-tones analysis -- so it's nice to
>> see you throw in a [-?] coda and erase this gap. Does the [-?] come from
>> conditioned lenition of stop codas? dialect mixture?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>
>
> --
> Eyal Joseph Minsky-Fenick
> [log in to unmask] (personal)
> 203-988-2234 (cell)
> 23 Temple Ct., New Haven, CT 06511-6820
>


--
Eyal Joseph Minsky-Fenick
[log in to unmask] (personal)
203-988-2234 (cell)
23 Temple Ct., New Haven, CT 06511-6820

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