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CONLANG  May 2019, Week 4

CONLANG May 2019, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Building vocabulary: a method

From:

Daniel Bensen <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 23 May 2019 14:12:24 +0300

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A technique I've been using is to make the first time I translate some
sort of cultural significant document/poem/etc. Then it makes sense
for the Ikea language to have a single word that means "queen-sized
larch-wood futon, some assembly required" and the Trolls language to
have verbs be hortative-reciprocal by default ("let's hug each
other!")

On 5/23/19, Seth KAZAN <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  the naturalism advocates must make their happiness with the reuse of
> improbable unusual words, with all the connotations it brings to the
> lexicon ...
> For them, the randomness of translations  is a good equivalent to the
> randomness of the history of languages...
>
> The proponents of the schematism will rather go towards a reasoned
> construction upstream ... With the acme: the languages a priori called
> philosophical where, at the limit, only the semantic primes are enough to
> build the lexicon on the fly...
>
>
> have a pic for the day... <https://odd-language.tumblr.com/>
>
>
> Le mer. 22 mai 2019 à 22:01, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]> a
> écrit :
>
>> I don't know. If you're going for the feeling of actual wear and tear,
>> time
>> depth, a language that has grown organically through the ages...then
>> having
>> words for all those ancient things as building block for the names of
>> modern things becomes important. you might need that old word for bitumen
>> in naming elements on the periodic table, or for making a word for the
>> gack
>> that has become a fad for kids to play with or...that awful soup the
>> neighboring nation eats.  I've worked hard to do Bible translation and
>> Medieval prose works in Carrajina before aging it forward to the times of
>> refrigerators and space ships. I'm trying to build some of that into
>> Gravgaln and other alien languages too. I like the organic-y-ness of it.
>>
>>
>> *A. Walker Scott, Author of No Road Among the Stars*
>> *Sample or purchase No Road Among the Stars*:
>> https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/872202
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 7:01 AM Kaleissin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm one of those who struggle with making vocabulary (that is, the
>> > words) of conlangs I care about. A meaning has to fit it's shape
>> > (pronunciation, in the case of Taruven), and that takes forever. I have
>> > lists of meanings without shapes, and shapes without meanings.
>> >
>> > I now regret having translated other's texts as early as I did, like
>> > the
>> > Babel text or various relays, since words that will hardly see any use
>> > (like bitumen) might steal a shape that should have belonged to a more
>> > frequent word.
>> >
>> > I wrote a bit about my current thoughts on stackexchange:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://conlang.stackexchange.com/questions/459/whats-a-good-starting-place-to-work-on-vocab/516#516
>> >
>> > (Websites disappear but this list endures, so below follows a
>> copy-paste:)
>> >
>> > -- start --
>> >
>> > If the speakers of the language are not your average humans of Earth,
>> > first make/find some texts that are suitable for the speakers:
>> > narratives, what happens during a regular, boring day, what happens in
>> > the market, at a restaurant, when traveling, making food, at the
>> > doctor's etc. Have a look at travel dictionaries for ideas.
>> >
>> > Start with very short texts, no more than a paragraph. (The following
>> > paragraph would work for many an ordinary human in the West in the
>> > current era:) "I get up in the morning. I have breakfast then leave for
>> > work. At midday I have lunch. I go home in the early evening. I have
>> > dinner with my family. Finally, I go to bed."
>> >
>> > Then figure out how to do the most frequent words (you might have 'em
>> > all covered already. But which set you need will vary. If for instance,
>> > you don't want articles, make a DO NOT-wordlist: the word you don't
>> > want
>> > (like "the") followed by what you do instead. This is very handy for
>> > future translations.)
>> >
>> > After the most frequent words, do the remaining nouns and verbs.
>> > Whether
>> > there are adjectives and adverbs and many other word classes will
>> > depend
>> > on the language, so wait a while with those.
>> >
>> > Later, pick one sentence and expand it to a paragraph: "I sleep alone
>> > in
>> > a bedroom. The bedroom has a floor, a ceiling, several walls, a bed, a
>> > window, a door, a light, and an alarm clock. The dog sometimes gets in
>> > during the night and also sleeps in my bed." Expand the other sentences
>> > in the first paragraph before you expand anything in the second
>> > paragraph. This will give you the words needed for daily life quite
>> > quickly.
>> >
>> > Be wary of translating things that are the wrong tone and age at an
>> > early stage, like medieval tales or older if your speakers are of the
>> > modern era, or specific religious texts if your speakers don't do that
>> > religion.
>> >
>> > For instance, if you translate the Babel-text early you risk having a
>> > word for an outdated technique for joining bricks (and a word for
>> > non-fired bricks) before you have a term for "to eat", "to speak", "to
>> > go"...
>> >
>> > -- end --
>> >
>> > (Answers on stackexchange can be edited by others so the original might
>> > not look like the above in a while.)
>> >
>> >
>> > I will set this into practice. I will start with a short, very relevant
>> > text, write it completely in Taruven, then add more and more details.
>> > And I'll do it here :)
>> >
>> > Since wording is hard, don't expect frequent updates!
>> >
>> >
>> > K
>> >
>>
>

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