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Re: Beginning musing on signlangs

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:19:27 -0300

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Libras (Brazilian sign language) has 65 handshapes:

http://tertuliasdelibras.blogspot.com/2015/11/configuracoes-de-maos.html?m=1

I'm not sure they're counted in the same way as in your examples.


Em ter, 23 de jul de 2019 12:29, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]>
escreveu:

> It may (or may not) be true that the majority of signs in a given sign
> language are based on one of 7 handshapes, but what do you then do with the
> minority of signs that depend on any number of less-used handshapes? ASL
> has at least 29 handshapes that are utilized in some signs, by my very
> quick count. No they aren't all uber-productive, but they all exist. A
> quick runthrough of what I remember of Taiwan Sign Language gives me a list
> of at least 32 (and I'm pretty sure I forgetting some important ones),
> again, some are more productive than others, but they are all used. I
> didn't learn enough ASULAN, Kenyan SL, CatalanSL or Mexican SL to comment
> cogently, but I should go look through my Solomon Islands SL Swadesh list
> and texts.
>
> *A. Walker Scott, Author of No Road Among the Stars*
> *Sample or purchase No Road Among the Stars*:
> https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/872202
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:16 PM Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Some time ago, I sketched out a system for writing down handshapes in
> > great detail based on binary finger counting
> > (
> >
> http://gliese1337.blogspot.com/2016/09/a-system-for-coding-handshapes.html
> > ),
> > followed up by some more general thoughts on designing constructed
> > sign languages... and then didn't really do much with it, because the
> > system was still insufficiently ergonomic for me to use, and I didn't
> > know enough about sign languages yet.
> >
> > However, I recently finally got around to reading an ASL textbook, and
> > then fortuitously ran across this incredibly useful tidbit of
> > information:
> >
> >
> https://www.quora.com/How-does-having-more-or-fewer-than-5-fingers-affect-signing/answer/Alice-Baker-31
> >
> > To summarize: apparently, the majority of signs in most natural sign
> > languages use just 7 baisic highly distinctive handshapes. Even if we
> > double that number for variety in a particular signlang, that's only
> > 14 distinct cheremes--few enough that you can encode them with Latin
> > alphabet consonants and still have some left over for other cheremic
> > features!
> >
> > I have already determined (as explained in one m old follow-up blog
> > posts) that I only need one lexical hand--any involvement of a second
> > hand will be limited to the space in front of the chest, and counted
> > as part of the Place information--and I should only need a very small
> > number of specialized Movement graphemes, since most movement can be
> > encoded by a simple sequence of Places, and there aren't that many
> > Orientations to worry about either. So if I can just decide on 7-14
> > lexical handshapes that I like to encode with individual letters, I
> > think I might finally be able to start making some progress on a
> > signlang.
> >
> > (I have also been somewhat prompted to get back to this topic since my
> > 10-month-old, despite not being able to pronounce most consonants yet,
> > has come up, unprompted, with a few of his very own babysigns, which
> > are both adorable and useful.)
> >
> > -l.
> >
>

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