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CONLANG  July 2019, Week 5

CONLANG July 2019, Week 5

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Re: Macrofamilies

From:

David McCann <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:34:12 +0100

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:26:44 +0200
Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> IE and Uralic have many parts of morphology in common, to a point that
> descent from a common ancestor is the most likely explanation. Yet,
> nobody has so far succeeded in establishing sound correspondences or
> reconstructing the common ancestor language in a convincing way.

It's very nice to do that, but hardly essential. If it were, then
neither Afro-Asiatic nor Sino-Tibetan would be acceptable families. Even
within well-established families, there are anomalies. In a Turkic
etymological dictionary, the consonants are proto-Turkic, but the
vowels are Common-Turkic — Chuvash has to be ignored. In in a Uralic
dictionary, one finds special symbols for back or front vowels whose
height cannot be reconstructed.

> Also, the family tree model has its limits. Language divergence is a
> gradual process which involves the formation and breakup of dialect
> continua, where innovations often intersect. It is, for instance, hard
> to draw a family tree of the Romance languages; you get at such
> questions as "Is Catalan more closely related to Castilian or to
> Occitan?" - Catalan shares features of both. The wave model is more
> helpful here. The same is true for IE as well; there are many
> proposals of IE family trees, but no consensus has been reached. For
> instance, Germanic shares some features with Italic and Celtic and
> others with Baltic and Slavic, so with which one it is to be grouped?

 Very true. But no-one doubts that Catalan and Castilian are Romance,
 nor that Germanic and Celtic are IE. You get the same problem with
 sub-classification in Tibeto-Burman and Turkic. It seems that it's
 often easier to see a high-level family than a mid-level one.

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