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AUXLANG March 1997, Week 2

Subject:

Re: How to get a conial used

From:

Phil Hunt <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sat, 8 Mar 1997 02:09:36 GMT

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In message  <[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] writes:
> (followups to Auxlang list and alt.language.artificial newsgroup)
>
> On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Phil Hunt wrote (excerpted):
>
> > In this post I ask the question: How do we get a constructed IAL used
> > by large numbers of people?
>
>     An excellent question!  Unfortunately, I am skeptical that
> _anybody_ knows the answer.

I don't know all the naswer. But I think I know part of the answer.

> Language is largely a human phenomenon and
> so deeply intertwined with psychological and social factors that I
> don't know if we will ever be able to unravel them.

Certainly we won't be able to perfectly. But that's no excuse for not
trying at all. A limited understanding is better than no understanding
whatsoever.

> > Some people have recently posted in auxlang about holding a poll to
> > decide on an IAL to standardize on, and which (presumably) would then
> > be supported by the people taking part in the poll.
>
>     Such a process would assume that all those participating would
> commit themselves in advance to a winner, if such there be, even if the
> winner is not their personal choice, or the activity would be useless
> beyond guaging some level of support that there is for this and that
> within a self-selecting group.

I agree.

> > Esperanto has failed.
>
>     People might have different notions of what constitutes success or
> failure.  I would say that if Esperanto has "failed," it is the most
> successful failure to date.

That's true.

> >    StartLearn(t) = k1 + k2 * speak(t-1)             ---(1)
>
> > To start learning a language, one must be aware of its existance (nad
> > the more people already use it, the more will know of it), and feel
> > it is worthwhile learning (the more people already use it, the more
> > worthwhile it is to learn).
>
>     As far as they go, these would seem to be truisms.  At this moment,
> I would think that they are the best argument for Esperanto. :-)

No, because one can easily imagine that the values of k1,k2 and k3 for
a more recognisable language than Esperanto might be slightly higher.
If Z had invented a language whose (k3) was 10% higher than Esperanto's,
then the number of speakers of it today would be about

   numberOfEsperantoSpeakers * (1.1^110)

ie it would be 35000 times as many people as now speak E-o, because of
exponential growth. If 100,000 people speak E-o, then the easier language
would now be spoken by 3.5 billion people, ie most of the world's
population. Now you can argue about the exact nature of my equations,
anfd I accept that they are only a model, but I do think that the basic
message that they give is true:

The point that I am trying to get across is that if a language (or other
meme) is good enough that the existing user base of it can cause other
people to use it, even at a fairly small rate of annual increase, then
because of exponential growth is will have every chance of becoming
widespread. A language slightly better than Esperanto could have a
larger potential to become a well-ysed IAL "from below", due to its
slightly betyter design encouraging slightly more people (eg 10%
extra in my illustration above) to learn it.

> >    learn(t) = k3 * startLearn(t)                      ---(2)
> >
> >    speak(t) = speak(t-1)*dieOff + learn(t)            ---(3)
> >
> > Finally, the simplest equation. [etc.]
> >
> > So obviously a successful IAL must be one where k1, k2, and k3 are as
> > high as possible.
>
>     How did you derive your equations?  They seem just a bit ad hoc to
> me.

Basically I made them up. Eqs (2) and (3) are fairly obvious, and Eq (1)
is basically saying that the number of people starting to learn is
a function which is a power series of the number of existing users. I
could have put a term in proportional to the square of the existing number
of speakers but IMO this would be unnecessary because I think that a
1% rise in the number of current speakers would cause a less than 1%
rise in the number of new learners.

--
Phil Hunt
Eurolang info at http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm

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