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AUXLANG  April 1997, Week 3

AUXLANG April 1997, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Common ground for a gAL

From:

pasi o a pärnänen <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:18:39 +0100

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> Sat, 19 Apr 1997 21:21:40 -0700
> "Leo J. Moser" <[log in to unmask]>
> Re: Common ground for a gAL

> pasi o a p=E4rn=E4nen wrote:
> > Hi.  During the last few months i have followed the discussion here
> > on auxlang regarding which languages or language-groups a global
> > auxiliary language should be based on.
> >
> > I have seen at least two big strategies:
> > 1. The indo-european majority strategy, saying that this group is
> >  the largest in the world and should therefore be the possible
> >  choice, if results is to be reach in a resonable amount of time.
> >
> > 2. The statistically common words strategy, saying that using the
> >  worlds most common root words is the way to go, if the resulting
> >  gAL would be able to get international acceptance.
>
> > Both work if we remember that they produce _almost_ the same
> > results, due to the spreading of the indo-european language group.
>
> > But there are alternatives:
>
> > 3.The functional strategy, saying "how could we say... as easily as
> >  possible?" A concentration on finding the common functions of a
> >  language and forming that into a grammar.
> >
> > 4.The child-language strategy, saying that a language could be
> >  created that mimicked the way a child learns to speak, with
> >  the addition of structures for "adults" and an alphabet.
>
> You asked for my view on these last two strategies. I guess that I
> must say that I don't see much substance in either. But then I may
> not quite uderstand your intentions.
>
> The first two seem to relate to finding roots for words, but I see
> no such consideration in the final two case. Do these relate to some
> sort of universal grammar?

We are trying to compose a gAL and the two main strategies are the
two first alternatives on my list. The debate is however concentrated
on finding the right source of root words. But the choice of root
words also limits the future possibility to choose a grammar, because
words and grammar are always used together. It's a case of
if-you-choose-the-programs-you-choose-the-operating-system, sort of.

But then againg this might be intended. It is harder to question
grammar choices when the words have been chosen, and this way of
going about the problems seem to work for Bill... :)  It is fast too!

Alternatives 3 and 4 concentrates on picking (or making) the grammar
as well as choosing the root words. But i wouldn't go as far as
calling the result a "universal" grammar. There is these two extra
possibilities, why not use them?

I admit that some of my theories question the foundation of the
discussion, in the same way talking about firecrackers with a rocket
scientist would be. But if a discussion is about the branches and
leaves then questions about the trunk of the tree would be quite
uninteresting, wouldn't it? (...said the caterpillar to another. :)

And i think that studying and debating the way we use language from
childhood and up _is_ relevant to the discussion. As i said in a
posting to mr Chandler not long ago: Why convince people that they
are wrong when we could work out a solution by understanding the way
they think? It's for them we are making this product, if they choose
the product then we did something right, and if they don't then we
have to question the product itself, and the strategy used to make
it, right?

Please feel to apply Occams razor to my throat at any time... :)


pasi.p

        "Why would we talk about the trunk", one caterpillar said,
        "when all we eat is here among the leaves?"

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