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AUXLANG  April 1997, Week 3

AUXLANG April 1997, Week 3

Subject:

Re: translation

From:

rmay <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:34:23 -0700

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Don Blaheta wrote:
>
> Quoth Raymond A. Brown:
> > At 16:57 18/4/97, Ken Caviness wrote:
> > ........
> > >>1.  How would Esperantists like to see their text presented?
> > >>    With x, h, ^, or what?  I'm open to suggestions.
> > >
> > >Most common notation on the net is cx, gx, hx, jx, sx, ux.  I don't
> > >care for it, because the result looks completely unpronouncable to
> > >anyone not acclimatized to this system.
> >
> > Infact ux does _not_ look unpronounceable at all.  The 'digraph' is
> > completely misleading.
>
> True.  All the same, it's very easy to get used to it quickly; if there
> were a notice at the top of the page about x-notation it would be
> suitable.  Perhaps a better idea would be to have a two-line sample of
> Esperanto (a "quick brown fox" sentence, maybe), using each of the
> common encodings, and with the "real" Esperanto given in GIF form.  If
> the person sees this comparison on the net, then that means they are
> _on_ the net and that any Esperanto they are likely to see will be
> encoded in one of six or seven forms.  Once you've shown them the
> minicomparison of encodings, you can pick one encoding and give the
> longer sample in that.
>
> Personally, I find the x-notation least jarring to look at, because you
> can recognize words as words without nasty space in the middle.  It's
> not as bad in proportional fonts, but in monospace all the various
> caret or apostrophe encodings leave a gap in the middle of the word.  As
> for the h-encoding, it would be okay; but I don't like it because it is
> _possible_ to confuse sx with s+h that way.
>
> Regarding the use of 'w' for 'ux': again, it would be okay, but I would
> think that even just 'u' for 'ux' would be better, because so many
> occurrences of 'ux' are based on occurrences of 'u' in the source
> languages.  Plus, for the "aux" diphthong at least (the more common of
> the two), "aw" is much more misleading to anyone who speaks English than
> either "aux" (which is flagged as unrecognized, and therefore
> needs-to-be-learned), or "au" (which is recognized as possibly being any
> one of /o/, /O/, or the correct /aU/), since English uses "aw"
> exclusively for the /O/ sound.  Thus, in the various encodings you have:
>
> Euxropo Europo  Ewropo  Eu`ropo ...
> ankaux  ankau   ankaw   ankau`  ...
> auxdi   audi    awdi    au`di   ...
>
> of which the first is initially confusing but conveniently unambiguous,
> the second is much easier to recognize and not very ambiguous, the third
> is confusing and awkward, and the last is only slightly confusing but
> very jarring to the eye.  I would select the first or the second.
>
> > > It's supporters point out
> > >the "x" is not otherwise used in Esperanto, so it's "free".
> >
> > But then 'q', 'w', 'y' are not otherwise used, so they are all free.  Why
> > not, e.g. cq, hq, jq, uq &c?  IMO it's no worse (or better) than cx, hx &c.
>
> First of all because of alphabetization, but also because 'x' has a much
> wider variety of pronunciations.  And anyway, so what if it's arbitrary?
> You have to pick something....
>
> > >I would suggest the system c^, g^, h^, j^, s^,
> >
> > That's Ok (tho some Esperantists seem to prefer ^c, ^g, ^h &), tho
> > Zamenhof's on suggestion of using ch, gh, hh &c where there circumflex is
> > unavailable looks 'neater'.
>
> True, and this would be a definite possibility, but because of the
> potential ambiguity it is slightly less preferable, to my mind.
>
> --
> -=-=-=-Don [log in to unmask]@aol.com-=-=-=-
> Ass, n.:
>         The masculine of "lass".

I agree with whoever it was who said the apostrophe method was the
best-looking.  I've also seen some people using totally different
characters, @$, etc, to replace the circumflexed ones.  A method
that would be very sensible, tho funny-looking, would be to use
capital letters for the circumflexed version, and not use capitals
in the traditional way.  eUropo, sidiGi, via moSto, etc.

--rmay
--
"That government is best which governs somebody else."
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7429/

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