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AUXLANG  April 1997, Week 3

AUXLANG April 1997, Week 3

Subject:

Re: The Delegation

From:

"Leo J. Moser" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:41:48 -0700

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (84 lines)

Leo adds:

Oddly enough there are still people who get excited, even livid
about the Eo-Ido split. I suggest that you treat Ido on its merits
alone, and refuse to get involved in any of this rehashing of past
events.

IMO, the whole matter was a major tragedy for the IAL concept, but
one without any real villains on either side. The ceaseless bickering
at the time created an image of IAL enthusiasts as a bunch of cranks
-- a stereotype that has not yet fully dissipated! (Talk about cultural
memory!) I will not discuss the matter further, for to do so would only
be to prolong the agony.

Albert Leon Guerard's "A Short History of the International Language
Movement," 1922, is a good account of all this (and much more!) It
has been reissued, and can be bought on the net. Amazon Books or
Schoenhof's, I forget which.

Leo
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

ames Chandler wrote:
> I would like to forward to you part of a reply I received from a
> web Esperantist after informing him of my Ido site:
>
> > You also fail to mention the major
> > reason why the majority of Esperantists rejected Ido: not for any
> > linguistic reasons, but because the way it was proposed was viewed as
> > treachery. Zamenhof himself had been invited to take part in the
> > committee to represent Esperanto, but couldn't come. Couturat and de
> > Beaufront were supposed to represent the Esperanto community, already
> > quite large at that time, but instead proposed Ido, which no one had
> > ever heard of before.......

> Before reading this I was not totally ignorant of the questionable
> conduct at that time of de Beaufront in particular, and this only
> reinforced my worries that I really might be supporting a language
> born of treachery and deceit, from which no good could come.
> Today, however, I found and read for the first time Otto Jespersen's
> paper "History of Our Language" (1921).  I read with much interest and
> baited breath until I got to the bit about the split at the end.  I
> apologise if you've seen these quotes before, but they seem so decisive
> to me, coming not from de B. or even Couturat, but from the pragmatic
> and respected Jespersen, that I want to share them with you:

Jespersen was one of the few who was able to retain the respect
of both sides. But he was deeply discouraged by the whole mess.

> "Dr. Zamenhof, who several times had declared that he would submit if
>  a competent scientific committee were to change his language "out of
>  recognition" - Dr. Zamenhof, who himself in 1894 had proposed
>  extremely radical changes in Esperanto (of which changes several agree
>  with those which we carried out) - who twice over as recently as 1906
>  proposed changes which were not published by the Esperantists....
>  - Dr. Zamenhof, who even after the close of our sessions had sent us
>  some small proposals for reform in his language - this same Dr.
>  Zamenhof now suddenly in 1908 broke off all discussion with us,
>  declared that the Delegation altogether "did not exist" for him,...."
>
> "Here I intend neither to defend nor condemn the moral aspect of his
>  [de B.'s] conduct; for me as for the rest of the members of the
>  Committee the purely objective question as to the essential
>  qualities of the language to be adopted was always the only one
>  which could be decisive; and our final result absolutely could not
>  have been different, even if Dr. Zamenhof himself had been present
>  in person before us.  We were all very well acquainted with
>  Esperanto, which moreover was strongly represented in our sessions,
>  among others by Rector Boirac; any impartiality against Esperanto
>  cannot be alleged."

> To quote further would only strengthen the case.  My conscience is now
> clear.  I now feel I can confidently recommend the immediate
> conversion to Ido of all remaining Esperantists - you will be most
> wlecome in the movement.    James Chandler

Leo adds:

Don't expect legions to come. But it would be very nice for Ido's
linguistic merits to be before all interested in the IAL movement.

Leo
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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