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AUXLANG April 1997, Week 3

Subject:

Re: The Delegation

From:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:37:04 -0400

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http://www.cheshire.net/~jjbowks/members.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3377  AUXILINGUA
http://www.cheshire.net/~jjbowks/home.html
         VINIMUS VIDIMUS DOLAVIMUS
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Oops! My Bad!

so I said reformed and I meant altered by snotty teenagers who have
nothing better to do than to drive their grammar teacher nutty by
messing up the English language whichever way it strikes their fancy this
month.

Oops!

Sincerely, I am in the kind of work where if you don't adapt and
try to have a positive influence you fail and give a negative
message.  Julian, I treat you in a way that you perhaps do not,
no I don't mean that, I meant in a way that you don't deserve
to be treated.  Please do not hold it against me, I feel negative
vibes from your messages and it could simply be your style or the
lack of smiley faces.  I dunno, ;-)

I do not want to get into a It's so/No it's not/It's so/No it's not
argument.  I perceive that you predate me on this list, and I grant
you that seniority.  Please do not be offended personally by my
comments on Eo, I love Eo, I really do, I just do it from a distance, and I
get the feeling it is quite close to your heart, my
friend.

I believe English is being changed all the time.  Technology, Teens, Trade
they are influences that keep English in flux.
So you take offense to my using the word reformed, well, please
understand that I meant it as "re" "formed" and I didn't mean
by any legislative or judicial system either.

So is Eo in the same way, changing, perhaps a little, perhaps
not as fast as I would like and so I love it at a distance.
Like a relative one hasn't seen for years.

Did not the Early Eo Speakers of old use to coin whole sentences
rather than add a vocabulary word to the Eo wordstock because
Zamenhof had finished it and it was done.  Maybe I'm not fully
accurate on this, but it reminds me of how the Vatican makes up
explanatory sentences in Latin to form vocabulary in Church Latin
rather than accept the International/Romance usage for the word.
I believe Mario Pei talks about this in a couple of his books, I
recall the phrase for saying "Atomic Bomb", it was rather comic.

But I guess you had to be there, no?

And since we are not in the beginning of the 20th Cent. but rather
at its end, I "hope" for other IALs to usher in the 21st.  I do not
agree with you that no one has the power to reform Eo. I myself have done
it several times in years past.  What teenager doesn't
try his hand at reforming Eo when he/she first starts learning the
rules and playing with the language.  But I take it you mean reform
by decree, whereas I mean reform for the sake of usage, and whoever
uses the language in communication has the right to alter it to
serve the purposes of communication.  Raising your tone of voice
when someone doesn't understand what you are saying is simply an
old British Empire custom of establishing communication venues.
My ESL Boricuas y Platanitos use Spanglish whenever and wherever
the need arises.  In this way they reform English to suit their
communication needs.  I laugh and try to get them to say things
"right" but we all in the class know what they mean and they say
exactly what they mean!  I teach in a school where it is against
the rules to use any language other than English unless a translator staff
member is there to monitor what is spoken.  Go
figure, in New Hampshire... Live free or Die! State.  But if it
gets out I'm complaining about the policy.... Shsssss!

Yours truly,
Jay B.
----------
> de: Julian Pardoe LADS LDN X8164 <[log in to unmask]>
> a: Multiple recipients of list AUXLANG <[log in to unmask]>
> Subjecto: Re: The Delegation
> Data: Thursday, April 17, 1997 6:32 AM
>
> Jay Bowks wrote:
> > English is being reformed all the time
>
> No it is not; English is changing all the time like
> any living language -- in a sense it's an organic entity --
> but no Academy of English sits their planning these
> changes and issuing ukazes requiring them.  (There have
> been attempts to reform living languages but they have
> mostly involved orthography and of course the state is
> able to enforce them through its control over the educational
> system -- and, in France, its control over the laws.)
>
> And as I said, Eo is (for better or worse) a living language
> and no one has the power to reform it either.
>
> -- jP --

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