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AUXLANG  April 1997, Week 3

AUXLANG April 1997, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Common ground for a gAL

From:

"Leo J. Moser" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:47:32 -0700

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pasi o a p=E4rn=E4nen wrote:
> Yep.
> It's time for yet another comment:
> > "Leo J. Moser" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > pasi o a p=E4rn=E4nen wrote:
> > > During the last few months i have followed the discussion here on
> > > auxlang regarding which languages or language-groups a global
> > > auxiliary language should be based on.
> > > I have seen at least two big strategies:
> >
> > > 1. The indo-european majority strategy, saying that this group is
> > >    the largest in the world and should therefore be the possible
> > >    choice, if results is to be reach in a resonable amount of time.
> >
> > > 2. The statistically common words strategy, saying that using the
> > >    worlds most common root words is the way to go, if the resulting
> > >    gAL would be able to get international acceptance.
> >
> > > Both work if we remember that they produce _almost_ the same
> > > results, due to the spreading of the indo-european language group.
> >
> > Your comment is perceptive. It is my feeling, however, that "almost
> > the same results" is going too far. That makes the distinction seem
> > trivial.
>=20
> I am simply pointing out how the subject has been debated here in
> auxlang. To some those two strategies actually seem to be one and
> the same. ...but yes, the difference is not trivial. It came out
> wrong and i appologise for that, Leo.

Yes, they are different strategies that often produce the same results
-- or almost the same results.

> > IMO, a deliberately Euro-centric approach ends up with rather differe=
nt
> > results than a world-wide approach. By applying the worldwide criteri=
a,
> > even the choice from European language resources is often different. =
Eo
> > 'krajono' is reasonably good "European," but if you look at worldwide
> > usage, a word like "penselo" would be more logical -- perhaps 25
> > languages in Asia or Africa use something pronounced more or less
> > like that for the object.
>=20
> > Also there are many widespread words that have no Indo-European basis.
> > Some come frome Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, Sanskrit, etc.
>=20
> Just to clarify: I am using the term "indo-european" in my list, and
> not "Euro-centric".

Neither term is exactly right for my usage, so I tend to talk of a
"WENSA" distribution of word-roots, grammatical tendencies, etc. The
acronym stands for WestEurope, NorthAmerica SouthAmerica, and Australia
(3 and 1/3 continents) and centers on French, English, Spanish and
Portuguese.
=20
> > But I do agree that most of the widespread words, and especially thos=
e
> > in the International Scientific Vocabulary, have ties to European
> > usages. My vocabulary studies leave me with the impression that strat=
egy
> > 1) and 2) would end up with the same basic root in about 80%
> > of the cases, though it might be spelled somewhat differently about
> > half the time.
>=20
> The list in my posting added two extra strategies, what do you think
> of them?=20

I'll have to go back and look. My impression was that the second set
of two dealt with rather different factors.

Regards,

Leo Moser
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