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AUXLANG  June 1997, Week 2

AUXLANG June 1997, Week 2

Subject:

Re: helping out (was: Let's have an end to...)

From:

Danny Wier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:35:31 -0500

Content-Type:

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Pasi O. A. P=E4rn=E4nen wrote,

> Bastard [sic, the name of his language] means "healthy mixture" or "div=
ersity
by birth" to me.

I would have used "mongrel" or "mutt" myself (I'm multi-racial and would =
prefer
not to be called a "bastard"), but I see what you mean.

> > I'm kinda working on a universal Latin
> > script, just for the purpose of ease in learning and not to replace
traditional
> > scripts.  This is a phonemic script; I don't like to use pure IPA exc=
ept to
> > represent exact sounds.  I assign the basic 26 nondiacritical letters=
 to
the
> > most common sounds and use as few diacritics as possible as sparsely =
as
> > possible.  That's another story though.  (This alphabet I am also usi=
ng to
> > transcribe Tech, one of my five conlangs, which has somewhere between=
 three
> > hundred and one thousand consonant and vowel phonemes -- or at least
sounds.  I

Let me edit myself there and say that what I meant by "between three hund=
red
and one thousand phonemes", that all depends on where you draw the line t=
o
demark "phonemic status".  If one only considers primary articulation (la=
bial
stop, dental nasal, velar fricative, palatal continuant, etc.) and not
secondary articulations (palatized dental stop, velarized alveolar fricat=
ive,
laterally-released dental stop, etc.), obviously a lower number would be =
more
correct.  I however am maintaining a higher and seemingly incredible numb=
er
because of secondary articulations.  I'm saying this since a few members =
of
both lists was understandably curious about my claim of inventing a langu=
age
with a thousand sounds (and even giving most of them phonemic status), an=
d I am
making efforts to simplify the phonology to a more reasonable number say.=
..
five hundred ;-)

> > had to borrow a few letters from Greek and use some unusual Latin let=
ters
for
> > this.)
> I cut the number down to 16+4 in bastard, transscribed as
> b d f g h k l m n p r s t v x y   a e i u
> and used x as sh (instead of ks).
> That felt enough for a simple language.

I've been debating on whether or not to assign "x" to either /S/ or /x/ m=
yself;
I decided on "x" for /x/ and "s" caron for /S/ (caron marks all postalveo=
lar
fricatives and affricates) for Tech transcribed into Latin characters.

Just for curiosity, will the letters "c", "j", "o", "q", and "z" be used =
for
anything, like foreign words?

> Bastard is used without punctuation, and consonants double as
> numerals 0 to F. The structure of the language allowed that and there
> are some hidden benefits.

A hexadecimal numeric system!  I could be wrong, but didn't the Egyptians=
 use a
sort-of binary (or maybe base-2-to-the-power-of-anything) system for frac=
tions
especially?

> > I didn't see the postings (I'm new to this list), but you probably he=
lped
> > somebody out there on the list more than you know.  Languages, especi=
ally
> > auxlangs, are in constant need of reform, and we need all the help we=
 can
get!
> > I wouldn't say that you wasted anybody's time.  In my book, it's bett=
er to
> > speak and risk making a fool out of oneself than to be silent and ris=
k
making
> > fools out of everyone else.
> i'm not so sure anymore. i spoke about common ground too long
> and bored you, so maybe some things are better left unsaid. what i
> try to do has no connection with the higher levels you
> work on, and that makes me sad.
>
> Not fitting in.

Well, look at me, an East Texas hillbilly with little college much less a
linguistic degree, and I'm here!

Daniel A. Wier
Nacogdoches, Texas USA
[log in to unmask]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/4987

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