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AUXLANG  June 1997, Week 2

AUXLANG June 1997, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Let's have an end to this nonsense

From:

"Bruce R. Gilson" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 7 Jun 1997 06:01:05 -0700

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Danny Wier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>James Chandler wrote:

>> Let's put it this way:  I'm new to conIALs, say, I've heard a bit
>> about Esp and I come onto the web to find out more.  I arrive at Don's
>> pages.  Don seems to be an Esperantist.  So this must be Esperanto.
>> But what is this?  Scandinavian letters, O's with a line through them,
>> one-quarters, something that looks like a carriage-return symbol,
>> ligated ae's ?  I heard Esp had special letters, but this is really
>> very strange.  Well if THIS is Esperanto, I don't think I want anything
>> to do with it.  I'm off to watch the footie.

>> So we see the trouble that Don has gone to to reproduce Zamenhof's
>> wonderful special letters.  It seems the irony is lost on Esperantists,
>> that their language which is meant to be so easy causes them and others
>> so much difficulty.  If I was an Esperantist trying to use the web,
>> I would have lost all patience by now.

>> But on a positive note: Let's move forwards.
>>                         Let's bring an end to this nonsense.
>>                         Let us make the following declaration:

>> A CONSTRUCTED INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE SHOULD HAVE NO NON-STANDARD
>>            CHARACTERS, NO ACCENTS OR OTHER MARKS.

>> Only when we have all accepted this will the public accept our ideas.

>Very well put, James!

>First of all, auxiliary languages are not my specialty.  I only do fictional
>and experimental constructed languages; I don't even speak Esperanto.  But I do
>have a special interest in phonetic and alphabetic systems.  You all might
>remember: I did some light research on how Romani and Persian (and other
>Indo-Iranian languages) could be rendered in a common Latin script, using as
>few diacritics as possible.  Ideally, no diacritics would be necessary and the
>language could be rendered in 7-bit ASCII code.  Maybe the same could be done
>for Esperanto (and its offshoots).

>Ludwig Zamenhof didn't live to see Macs, Windows, and ISO character sets, and
>he was Polish -- and Polish uses quite a few diacritics.  That's not his fault,
>but times have changed.  For one thing, I wish he didn't have to use circumflex
>accents (he could have used carons like Czech does) first of all; no other
>language uses it for consonants as far as I know.  Also, he could have used "w"
>instead of "u" with a mark beneath for the sound /w/.  (Maybe people would have
>gotten "w"  confused with "v", he thought.)  There are other things, but I
>won't get into them right now.

>So the question is: how could Esperanto writing be reformed?  Maybe that'll get
>the list active again.

Just to remind you. There was a posting I made 2 months ago quoting the
following article in the Ido publication _Mondo_e_Linguo_ about Esperanto's
problems with diacritics.

>From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr  1 14:11:30 1997
>Date:         Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:40:51 -0800
>Reply-To: International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]
>Sender: International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]
>From: "Bruce R. Gilson" <[log in to unmask]
>Subject:      Duranta Problemo por Esperanto (from _Mondo_e_Linguo_)

>This article appeared in MeL, and I thought it interesting to see how Idists
>address a problem we've discussed at length here.

>Esas problemo por Esperanto ye la Interreto pro olua specala diakritiki.
>Diversa Esperantisti uzas diversa metodi por traktar la problemo. Por la
>diakritiko "^" ta metodi esas: (1) remplaso per "h" sequanta - la metodo di
>Zamenhof; (2) uzo di specala programo da ne nur la skribanto ma anke la
>lektanto; (3) remplaso per "^" sequanta; (4) remplaso per "^" preiranta;
>(5) remplaso per "x" sequanta; (6) omiso. Nur metodo (2) montras la diakritiki
>korekte, ma ol esas anke la metodo minim konvenanta, do ne multe uzata. Per
>la altra metodi la vorto por, exemple, "vojagho" (en Ido "voyajo")
>reprezentesas per (1) vojagho; (3) vojag^o; (4) voja^go; (5) vojagxo;
>(6) vojago. La lasta metodo esas tre poke uzata, nam la diakritiki importas.
>Metodi (1) e (5) semblas esar la maxim uzata. Principe la problemo esas
>solvebla - per uzo di specala programo. Praktike ol duras esar problemo, quale
>on povas vidar.

>                                Bruce R. Gilson
>                                email: [log in to unmask]
>                                IRC: EZ-as-pi
>                                WWW: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3141
>                                (for language stuff: add /langpage.html)

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