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AUXLANG  June 1997, Week 2

AUXLANG June 1997, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Le secreto es le littera J! (Re: Let's have an end to this nonsense)

From:

"Mr B.Philip.Jonsson" <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:39:06 +0200

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/excuse me for not capitalizing properly xcept for such capping that my
abbrev-xpansion utility does automaticly. I'm temporarily deprived of the
use of my left hand -- my better one ;(.../

At 12:34 11.6.1997, "Ensjo wrote:
>Mr B.Philip.Jonsson ha scripte:
>>
>> At 10:20 9.6.1997, "Ensjo (Emerson Jos=E9 Silveira da Costa)"
>>               <ensjo@N wrote:
>>
>> >Mi solution se basa in juxtaponer duo consonantes, de maniera que le
>> >sono de un interfere in le sono del altere.
>> >(My solution is based on justaposing two consonants, so that the
>> >sound of one of them interfere in the sound of the other.)
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Don't you mean 'affect' or 'influence' or 'mix with'?
>
>Exactemente. Occurre un *fusion* quasi involuntarie del sono del duo
>consonantes. Io pensa que difficilemente un persona non va pronunciar
>[s] + [j^] como [s^].

agreed.  that would be a natural assimilation, as would devoicing after "t".

>> >Assi, mi propostas a un eventual reformation orthographic de Esperanto
>> >esserea:
>> >
>> >        u`=B4   w
>> >        j       y (nos libera J/we liberate J)
>> >
>> >        c^      tj o/or cj
>> >        g^      dj
>> >        h^      kh
>> >        j^      j
>> >        s^      sj
>>
>> Apart from preferring "cjevalo" over "tjevalo", *gj* over "dj", and as I
>> said *hjoro* over "khoro", I think that as a reform of Eo this looks
>> sensible.  The reactions of the dedicated Esperantists is all too easily
>> predictable, I'm afraid...
>
>Obviemente, "cj" functiona in Esperanto e in altere linguas que usa "c"
>con sono [ts]. Ma in portugese illo esserea <would be> legite <read> [k
>+ j^]. In portugese le unic option esserea "tj".
>
>Quanto a <as for> "gj" e "hj"... rememora <remember> que le "j" hic
><here> NON es un "substituto" al circumflexo esperantic, como le "x"
>usate in "cx" o "hx" pro [c^] o [h^]. Le "j" ES un littera con su
>proprie <own> sono <sound>. Assi, secundo mi proposition, le gruppo "gj"
>sonarea como [g + j^], e "kj" como [k + j^].

ok I understood that.  my thought was that since /g+jx/ and /k+jx/ are
HIGHLY unlikely to occur in a Romance-derived vocab I thought /gj/ would be
a permissible exception iot achieve greater recognizability.  e piu' io
sempere amava il sistema italiano per indicare I suoni /cx, gx, sx, k, g/
:-), il piu' logico nelle lingue romanesche -- la ortografia, non credo che
nessuna lingua e' piu' logica di un' otra! certo sarai piu' logico si I
suoni "gn, gli, n, l" saranno scritti come "n, l, ni, li, nhi, lhi": *onni*
pro "ogni", *suonhi* pro "suoni", *miliore* pro "migliore", *millhione* pro
"millione".

uh, sorry for lapsing into garbled Italian, folks!  :-)

>
>Le idea es elliminar le litteras "non-standard", SIN <without> crear
>digraphos.

I sypathize with that

>Io recognosce que le gruppo "kh" non produce exactemente le sono [h^].
>Forsan le ideal esserea Esperanto usar "x" o "q" pro iste sono:
>
>        h^oro           xoro o qoro

i much prefer x.  qoro would be taken for kworo

me sercul

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