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AUXLANG  December 1997, Week 4

AUXLANG December 1997, Week 4

Subject:

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From:

STAN MULAIK <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:13:23 -0500

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Io debe facer apologias pro esser tanto tarde in responder al sequente, mais
io ha justo rejungite le lista AUXLANG al insistentia de Jay Bowkes, e in
revider le recente LOGs de AUXLANG io notava le sequente, que me interessa:

>One of the strongest things Interlingua has to recommend it is that
>when someone says, "Oh, this just looks like a mixture of all the
>European (or Romance) languages", the I-a proponent can say "Yes,
>it is extracted on scientific principles and quite consistently
>from the Romanic group".  The Esperanto proponent is forced to
>admit that his language was pulled together half arbitrarily,
>here from the Germanic languages (though this is not always a
>bad thing), here from some Slavic language, and in yet another
>place quite artificially from the depths of Zamenhof's genius.
>
>Rather than follow the I-a principles, though, which to my mind
>lead to a less than optimally recognizable vocabulary, I think we
>could do much worse than to follow what Jespersen laid down in
>the preface to his Novial Lexike (1930):
>"The chief principle for the selection of vocables is to use,
> wherever possible, words that are already international, and
> where these are missing to take those words which create least
> friction."
>With this principle Jespersen was able to furnish a vocabulary
>for Novial, and also a set of affixes, endings and auxiliaries,
>that is unsurpassed in interlanguages.  The Novial vocabulary
>is in almost all respects already excellent, and affords an
>excellent basis for development of a definitive vocabulary.
>
>James Chandler
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Lo que me surprende con respecto a iste commento es le contrasto facite
inter le principios de interlingua e illes de Jespersen: Io cognosceva
Dr. Gode personalmente (quando io esseva un juventute), e io ha legite
multe de su scripturas in addition a corresponder con ille. Ille faceva
emphase del internationalitate e recognoscibilitate contra un pur
romanization del lingua. Le facto que le germano e le russe anque es
linguas a base de interlingua esseva pro assecurar le internationalitate
del vocabulario.  Le selection del gruppo angloromance de linguas como
le base de interlingua esseva pro le ration que iste gruppo es un
centro major de non solmente radiation de parolas a altere linguas,
generante parolas international como un consequentia, mais anque un
major centro de absorption de parolas de altere linguas foras iste
gruppo, anque facente los devenir international. Per exemplo il ha
plure parolas in interlingua que non es in le linguas romance, un
chef exemplo essente "blocada", derivate del anglese, germano e russe,
benque le termino original esseva un termino militar italian - mais
le italiano non usa iste parola  hodie pro iste concepto.

Naturalmente le altere ration pro seliger iste gruppo de linguas pro
basar le determination del vocabulario international esseva le facto
que illo es un gruppo relativemente homogenee, debente se al facto que
illes es o descendentes del latino popular de Roma, o ha absorbite multe
parolas del latino classic o le neolatino.  Isto faceva possibile le
uso del principio del prototypo pro standardizar le formas international,
que introduce un methodologia objective a in le interlinguistica. E le
resultato es un lingua que pare como un "real" lingua europee.

Totevia io debe conceder que interlingua es ancora multo romance, specialmente
si on selige un serie de particulas romance.  (Interlingua es multo
tolerante de variationes in usage, providente non solmente particulas latin
mais particulas prototypic (quando possibile) e mesmo particulas de altere
linguas auxiliar. Le ration pro iste varietate con respecto al particulas
es que il non ha particulas international in multe casos per tote le
linguas romance).  Mais le apparentia de un lingua romance que es
augmentate per isto es solmente un aspecto superficial. Le vocabulario es
international e non purmente romance.

Il es anque importante a comprehender que Dr. Gode credeva que su major
contribution non esseva le construction de un lingua artificial auxiliar,
mais le constatation e standardization del vocabulario international,
que ille credeva esseva un phenomeno real irrespective del objectivos
de crear un lingua auxiliar. Il justo esseva un facto que ille, e io
crede le majoritate de linguistas professional qui les interessava in
le idea de un lingua auxiliar inter 1937 be 1951, credeva que il non
esseva necesse a inventar un lingua auxiliar mais simplemente a constatar
le vocabulario vaste international jam existente in le linguas europee e
a usar isto como le base de un lingua auxiliar.

Un secunde puncto a que io vole responder es le question de orthographia:

> But will the Interlingua people also compromise on things like
> double consonants, phonetic spelling (how ludicrous to see PH,
> TH, RH beautifully preserved in an *international* language!),

Ben que on es permittite a usar un "ortografia colateral" con interlingua,
io crede que isto esseva solmente un concession de Dr. Gode a gentes como
su assistante Blair. Ille scribeva in le orthographia "prototypic" que
conserva le formas neolatin prototypic del greco in linguas como le
anglese, e isto conserva le consontantes duple, le PH, TH, e RH e CH
mentionate supra.  Nos ha justo recentemente discutite isto in INTERLNG,
nostre servitor de lista pro corresponder in interlingua. Il ha un numero
de interlinguanos qui vole usar iste orthographia, e illes es libere a lo
facer.  Mais io ha levate rationamentos contra illo. Le "orthographia
regular" esseva un movimento in le renascentia e postea que, in mi opinion,
habeva un singularmente stricte vision del objectivos del orthographia.
Potesser in ille annos augmentante le alphabetismo del populo esseva un
objecto major, e il pareva al orthographeros que un systema totalmente
regular esseva necesse pro attinger iste objecto. Mais io opina que illes
esseva cec al facto que le litteras como PH, TH, RH e CH in parolas de
origine grec, signaliza non solmente lor origine, mais anque face possibile
distinguer los de parolas similar in le latino que anque es in le linguas
moderne.  E on hodie ha in paises ubi iste regularization ha succedite un
populo cec al facto que illes manca le facilitate de analysar le significantia
de parolas secundo differentias in lor orthographia quando illes sona
le mesme.  Io discoperiva isto quando io cercava un dictionario espaniol
pro derivativos de phil- (p.e. in philosophia, philologia) e discoperiva
tres significantias pro espaniol fil-, que in interlingua es clarmente
distinguite in le orthographia:  I phil- (amar) como in philosophia,
philatelista, philanthrope, philharmonia, philologia; II phylo- (racia
o tribo), assi "philo" (anglese phylum), phylogenetic, phylogenia; III
phyllo- (folio) in phylloclade, chlorophylla, phyllotaxis, cladophylla.
In certe respectos le espaniol potesser non vide isto como un problema major,
mais illo esserea un problema in interlingua quando formas regularizate a
fil- es ponite al latere de parolas del latino in fil-, p.e. filo, filtro.
(Le espaniol jam ha cambiate de latin f- a h- in multo parolas).
Le problema es acute con latino "filtro" al latere de "philtro" que
significa un biberage con poteres magic pro facer le uno qui lo bibe
amar un altero presso ille/a.  Io non cognosce ancora le historia del
conservation in le latino del orthographia de ph, th, rh, in parolas
prestate al latino del grec, mais io opina que possibilemente il faceva
possibile pro le lector a distinguer los de parolas latin con le mesme sono.
Isto es certo le caso con lectores anglese e francese e germano quando illes
incontra tal parolas prestate a lor linguas.

Stan Mulaik

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