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AUXLANG  December 1997, Week 5

AUXLANG December 1997, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Novial directions (fwd)

From:

Chris Burd <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:52:36 -0800

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>Jay Bowks skripted:
>
>> I realize you may not have given Interlingua
>> as much time as other IALs, but there are
>> some very interesting ideas in Interlingua
>> of IALA that you may have missed, for example
>> the "ortografia colateral" (indeed not Ortographia
>> Collateral ;-)
>> check out
>> http://adam.cheshire.net/~jjbowks/colapage.html
>
>Thanks for the URL.  I must confess that I hadn't thoroughly
>studied the colateral orthography, and it is actually more radical
>than I had expected it to be.
>I wonder, though: if one simplifies all double consonants except ss
>and cc, will there not be any collisions at all in the resulting
>vocabulary?  Does anyone know the answer to this?
>
>Anyway, I'm not sure how much difference this all makes.  The fact is
>that all the Interlingua I have seen has not used this simplified
>orthography, and although it might catch on, I cannot see it
>happening.  Gode probably thought he was making a big concession
>with this colateral spelling.  The truth is that a great many
>people all over the world struggle all their lives to master the
>intricacies of their own language's spelling.  Perhaps Interlingua
>supporters are not aware of the projects for simplifying the
>spelling of for instance English, to make it phonetic or almost
>phonetic.  In short, all the developments in modern linguistics that
>have led to the spoken language being treated as paramount and
>phonetic spelling being favoured seem to have passed Gode and the
>I-a supporters by.  It is obvious that a constructed language is the
>perfect opportunity to furnish a vocabulary that at the the very
>least is capable of being spelled (almost) phonetically.

The original collaterial orthography detailed in para. 15 of Gode & Blair's
Grammar comprises the following reforms:

(1) Replacement of ch, rh, th, and y by c, r, t, and i in words of Greek
origin (ch is retained before e and i following the usual Italian-style
rule). Systema orthographic > Sistema ortografic

(2) Simplification of double consonants, except where the pronunciation
would be affected (i.e., ss and cce/cci). Comunication

(3) Respelling the soft g in the endings -age, -arge, -ange as j. Corage,
avantagiose -> Coraje, avantajose.

(4) Replacement of s the suffix -isar and its derivatives by -izar etc.
Nationalisar > Nationalizar

(5) Elimination (subject to certain exceptions) of final e after t or a
double consonants. Unitate, belle -> unitat, bel

There are some odd things about this system. The -izar spelling (point 4)
is actually more etymological than the traditional spelling, and not really
any more phonetic, given that intervocalic s is normally [z]. Granted, it's
a minor issue. Point 5 isn't about orthography at all; it's a reform to the
pronunciation of Interlingua. I suspect that Stan is correct in seeing
para. 15 as a concession to those in IALA who had different ideas about the
form Interlingua should take. Certainly, I've only seen the full system
used in Blair's sample text in an appendix to the Grammar. The language of
Blair's text is virtually a separate dialect of Interlingua: besides the
"ortografia regularizat", it uses peculiar system of verb conjugations and
a lot of Romance-style grammatical words where Gode tended to use Latinate
forms. (Some of these Romance forms have become standard in modern
Interlingua, but none of the other changes.)

However, many Interlinguans use a less radical reformed system, basically
consisting of applying point 1. Some Scandinavians prefer to keep the
vocalic y while simplifying the Greek-style consonants, following the
practice of their languages.  Even some of Stan's essays from the 1960s in
the International Language Review use this simplified orthography. Many
people also apply point 4.

Currently about half the participants in the Interlng list use the
simplified system. A couple of people also apply point 2, the elimination
of double consonants. And rumour has it that the Linguistic Committee of
the UMI is considering giving the moderately reformed orthography a higher
status. In all, the current trend seems to be toward simplification.

This is a good thing, in my opinion, if Interlingua is to make more headway
as an IAL. Or rather, my view is that both systems, the etymological and
the simplified, should be available to those who want to use Interlingua.
It's not reasonable to scrap the etymological system so long as its being
used by important languages like English and French. But the reformed
system should have equal rights in reality and not just in theory.

Similarly I think the more radical system eliminating double consonants
should be an available option to those that want it, presumably some
Portuguese/Spanish speakers and non-Occidentals. Personally, I'm not keen
on this reform. Many of the double consonants mark an assimilated consonant
-- collaborar, innumerabile -- and so help the reader in parsing compound
words. In words like developpamento dropping the extra letter makes little
difference.

Amicalmente,

Chris Burd
Victoria, B.C.

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