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AUXLANG December 1997, Week 5

Subject:

Re: vocab selection [replies to Paul & Don B. & Bruce]

From:

Philip Hunt <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:02:22 +0000

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On Dec 20,  3:40pm, B Philip Jonsson wrote:
> Subject: Re: vocab selection [replies to Paul & Don B. & Bruce]
> At 20:07 +0000 on 18.12.1997, Philip Hunt wrote:
> > > * An African RIAL based on Swahili and Haussa.  The source selection is
> > > again easy.  Reconciling the grammars might not be as easy, though.
> >
> > I don't know how many people speak these languages, but I would guess
> > that the 3 most commonly spoken languages in Africa are English, French
> > and Arabic.
>
> You are wrong.

Do you have figures for how many people speak these lanaguages? It wouldn't
surprise me if accurate figures do not exist.

> Don't confuse "official languages" with the languages that
> people are actually using in everyday real life!

If, for example, Uganda uses English for offical purposes and as the
main medium of education, it is reasonable to assume that a lot of
Ugandans speak English (I don't know how many; I've never been there).
However I do know that the Ugandan govmt conducts AIDS awareness
campaigns in English (and possibly in other langs as well) and I suspect
they wouldn't do this if hardly any Ugandans understood English -- it'd
be like Britain having an AIDS poster with the text in Latin.

I also know that at least some Mozambicans who are not members of the
elite speak Portuguese (at least that's what I think it was --
it was certainly a Romance lang). [this comes from a TV documentary
I watched a few years ago].

> These are clearly elite
> languages,

This is true to some extent but it isn't the whole truth.

> while Hau. and Swa. are widely used trade languages since
> centuries back, already simplified due to this role (rather like "English"
> was by being used as an interlanguage between people speaking Anglo-Saxon
> dialects and French-speaking Normans.  They also have the obvious advantage
> of being untainted by western colonialism.  In other words the situation is
> analogous to that in India.
>
> >
> > Africa is culturally split across the Sahara, and IMO a Euroclone would
> > make a good IAL for sub-saharan Africa.
>
> It certainly _could_, but I don't think a lot of the many Africans that are
> left backwards and uneducated because unable to learn former colonial
> overlords' languages would prefer it to an IAL based on African languages.
> An Euroclone would serve only the elite who are an elite largely because of
> knowing European languages, and make a rather bad expression of African
> culture and identity!

I think that languages of European origin are part of the identity of
many Africans (certainly the ones who speak them). If a Ugandan, a Nigerian
and a South African meet, what language are they most likely to have
in common?

I am not sure to what extent English, Portuguese, Spanish, and French
are seen as European languages, because for at least 3 of them a
clear majority of speakers do not live in Europe.

> It is a telling fact that the _de facto_ national
> auxlang of what used to be called Zaire is not any version of French, but a
> pidginized variety of the indigenous Sango language.

Then Zaire should standardise that lang and make it the official lang,
if it is already the de facto interlang.




--
Phil Hunt                   [log in to unmask]
Oyster Systems Ltd    http://www.oyster.co.uk

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