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AUXLANG  January 1998, Week 3

AUXLANG January 1998, Week 3

Subject:

Re: What do we call the new Novial language? (fwd)

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Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:50:05 -0500

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>
 
Me skripted:
 
>> we should think about whether there are any other
>> surviving members and or persons who were
>> active in the PreWWII Novial era, so that we may
>> have a form of continuity in this.
>
 
James skripted:
>I think it is very unlikely we will find any others still
alive. The only
>possibility might be Reihold Zeidler. [...] If RZ is still
with us, he will be
>in his eighties by now. Looking through the first issues of
N-iste, RZ
>might have been German Swiss, perhaps around the Bern area?
Anyone ever
>come across him?
 
 
***Well, I'll make it a point to ask around and do some
phone searches and address searches etc. But perhaps
some other Auxlangers could also shed light on his where-
abouts. We'll see... At least it's a name to go by and look
for, eh?
 
>
Me skripted:
>> So I would suggest making an increased effort to
>> get in touch with older Novialists, for the purpose
>> of asking their input, and if it is as Valter Ahlstedt's
>> that we consider the future to lie close to a regularized
>> form of IALA's Interlingua that we don't simply dismiss
>> it on the basis of a pre-existing bias agains IALA or
>> its discoveries and project.
>
>Whatever your own view of the way Novial should develop, Jay, I
don't
>think it's going to be possible to reconcile someone like Bruce
Gilson
>with someone like Valter Ahlstedt.
 
***Which I see as a shame, perhaps inviting some people
from Interlng to join Novial-liste Grupe might change Bruce's
mind.... Not!
 
***Just kidding Bruce, don't get hot my dear fellow... :-)))
 
 
> Bruce has only one equivalent in the
>early days: G. Forchhammer. The reason I equate the two people
is that
>GF once proposed making the adj -i ending compulsory. He
didn't, of
>course, propose putting -r on the end of all the verbs, though.
>
 
Was GF an Esperanto-ish sort of character? Idist? or something
of the sort? Insisting on POS markings sounds very schematic
indeed. Yet the feel of Novial is definitely quite a la
Occidental
without the forced -i ending. Such as in -al words this is
definitely
a likeable feature of choice: general vs. generali.
And the -iv like in konklusiv vs. konklusivi... Is that right?
 
But at any rate, the idea of having Novial get closer to
Occidental
is something that Jespersen accepted, indeed his cooperation
with de Wahl and acceptance of Lingue-jurie decisions which
brought Novial closer to Occidental seem to indicate his
acceptance.
The fact that after Interlingua's debut a lot of
Interlingue-ists, yes,
the folks formerly called Occidentalists, went over to the
Interlingua
conferences and local clubs proves that the relationship between
these three languages was very smooth and natural. The sad
thing is that de Wahl was behind an Iron Curtain under the
constant
gaze and suspicion of Big Bear-Brother and that the affection
and
admiration of his interlingue brothers in the west could not
reach
him near the end of his life. Dying lonesome has got to be the
worst death of all. His memory and his work, though, live on in
the memory of many an Occidentalist now continuing the spread
of the natural-auxiliary language movement forward in the glow
of the bouncing baby sister of the grea